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PIKEMAN  
#1 Posted : 10 July 2012 09:43:20(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Secs 2-8 of the HASAWA are exempt "(Statute barred") from being used in the tort of breach of statutory duty. My question is, WHY? Why was this done?
Phil John  
#2 Posted : 10 July 2012 10:25:46(UTC)
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Phil John

Punishment under HASAWA 74 is played out in a criminal court; a tort (Civil Wrong) is played out in a civil court (recompense). Criminal & Civil are very closely linked however they are different (in the majority of cases they are played out in different courts, very rare do they meet in the same court). Criminal Law: Punishable by jail and/or fines. Civil Law: Duty of care owed, duty of care breached, breach resulted in loss and/or injury and do not forget remoteness = Compensation (Recompense). Hope this helps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort
Norfolkboy  
#3 Posted : 10 July 2012 10:28:03(UTC)
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Norfolkboy

I think that the reason was - that the requirements on sec 2-8 were already a duty in Common Law ( Wilson and Clyde Coal Ltd V English ( 1938) ) so there would have been no additional benifits.
Steve Granger  
#4 Posted : 10 July 2012 10:45:37(UTC)
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Steve Granger

The objective of the general provisions is to enable enforcement and criminal prosecution for breach of law. It replaced its forerunners with some new concepts and adopted legal processes which (as already said) were supported in common law precidence. HSWA introduced a new type of responsibility (reversal of proof) and less emphasis on codified terms or written standards. Each case on its own merits etc. The general provisions have a real mix of absolute, practicable and Sfrp terms -you need to read it line by line to understand each nuance. I belive the law makers did not want to dilute the primary purpose of the Act and so limited its use (as was the case for MHSW regs.). To introduce it into the civil context might have diluted its strength in the criminal court, and would have introduced another layer of complexity to the civil courts. Time to dust off the Robens report again, but worthwhile remembering how we got here and where we came from before throwing it all away......
Steve Granger  
#5 Posted : 10 July 2012 11:20:02(UTC)
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Steve Granger

The objective of the general provisions is to enable enforcement and criminal prosecution for breach of law. It replaced its forerunners with some new concepts and adopted legal processes which (as already said) were supported in common law precedence. HSWA introduced a new type of responsibility (reversal of proof) and less emphasis on codified terms or written standards. Each case on its own merits etc. The general provisions have a real mix of absolute, practicable and Sfrp terms -you need to read it line by line to understand each nuance. I believe the law makers did not want to dilute the primary purpose of the Act and so limited its use (as was the case for MHSW regs.). To introduce it into the civil context might have diluted its strength in the criminal court, and would have introduced another layer of complexity to the civil courts. Time to dust off the Robens report again, but worthwhile remembering how we got here and where we came from before throwing it all away......
Steve Granger  
#6 Posted : 10 July 2012 11:21:06(UTC)
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Steve Granger

ps don't walk away from the pc and leave something half done...
Phillips20760  
#7 Posted : 10 July 2012 14:13:06(UTC)
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Phillips20760

I was of the same undersanding as Norfolk Boy. s2-8 are already enschrined within common law so allowing civil tort for their breach would in effect produce a double edged sword and duplication of negligence already proved / disproved.
PIKEMAN  
#8 Posted : 10 July 2012 16:37:59(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Hmm so nobody really know the answer..................some decent guesses. If they didn't want "double jeopardy" why not statute bar ALL H&S regs then?
aud  
#9 Posted : 10 July 2012 19:24:07(UTC)
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aud

I was taught that this exemption was because of the 'vagueness' and 'objective-based' style of the Act, against the very specific requisites of statutory duties under regulations or (as still existed at the time) the Factories / OSRP Acts - both quite detailed and absolute. One could say that common sense prevailed in this decision.
Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 12 July 2012 23:49:47(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

sfarp test of HASAWA is a sterner test than common law "reasonable care." There is no duplication.
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