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In an international setting, I need to demonstrate that my NEBOSH diploma is a degree. I have shown a copy of the UK's national qualification framework and also the link to the NEBOSH website where it states the equivalency. This has not been accepted as evidence and the fact that my qualification only states diploma and not degree is a problem.
Does anyone know if an awarding body will issue a degree for the NEBOSH diploma?
Many thanks
Neil
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Have you contacted NEBOSH to discuss this issue and see what weight they can place behind this?
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It isn't a degree.
It's at the same level (difficulty) as a degree but it's not the same size (amount of content) as a degree.
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As an aside, have you thought about questioning why there is a reliance on having a degree? Can you not go down the competency route i.e. UK law requires competent persons not necessarily degree qualified persons?
But Kate is right, the Dip cannot be a degree and nowhere will state this, does this matter for your business? I think you need to argue that it does not! (or see if they will fund you through a course if it really is a requirement :) )
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Jake wrote:As an aside, have you thought about questioning why there is a reliance on having a degree? Can you not go down the competency route i.e. UK law requires competent persons not necessarily degree qualified persons?
But Kate is right, the Dip cannot be a degree and nowhere will state this, does this matter for your business? I think you need to argue that it does not! (or see if they will fund you through a course if it really is a requirement :) ) I have a colleague who is currently going through the Australian emigration process. He has shown me an excellent paper produced by NEBOSH which explains why this is a degree level standard of qualification, however as others have stated this can never be a degree as there is insufficient quantity of study for it to be a degree. I suspect that there are also other (commercial) reasons why it cannot be a degree. This is another example of why an OS&H degree should always be the preferential study route to CMOISH for those without a degree.
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Originally Posted by: stedmanThis is another example of why an OS& 
Stedman from your statement it sounds that you feel that soon degress will be the only acceptable OSH qualification in the future. Assigning the Diploma to being as worthless as the Gen Cert is for getting work.
If I have misread your meaning I apologise, it is just how it seemed to come over to me.
Mike
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stedman wrote:however as others have stated this can never be a degree as there is insufficient quantity of study for it to be a degree.
Just to further qualify this, I did an Environmental Health Degree which covers H&S, Risk Management, Food Safety, Publich Health, Environmental Protection and Housing. Through my degree transcript IOSH accepted that I had covered enough OHS related modules to gain GradIOSH status and only requried to complete the SDP. mike52 wrote:Originally Posted by: stedmanThis is another example of why an OS&
Stedman from your statement it sounds that you feel that soon degress will be the only acceptable OSH qualification in the future. Assigning the Diploma to being as worthless as the Gen Cert is for getting work.
If I have misread your meaning I apologise, it is just how it seemed to come over to me.
Mike
I don't think Stedman is saying that a Degree will be the only acceptable route, just that it is preferential in many cases. This is the same for most industries, where a degree-qualified individual would probably stand out versus a non degree-qualified individual (assuming the same experience etc.).
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It's often advantageous to have a degree and a safety qualification. If the two are one and the same, that's fine; if the degree is in a different subject, that's fine too. If you already have a degree in another subject, then there is less advantage in doing a degree in safety and it's fine just to do the diploma. If on the other hand you don't already have a degree, then it's best to get a safety degree rather than a safety diploma so that you are also recognised as a graduate. That's what I interpreted Stedman as saying.
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From memory (weak at best) the NFQ level for the Diploma is 7 (?) which is degree-equivalent. There may be a way of showing this in some way on CV or in application content, which might help.
Some organisations won't even look at an applicant without a degree, regardless of how competent, or how many NFQ equivalents. Universities notably.
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Never rely on memory! It's a 6, not 7 - and there is a similar thread running on the Study Forum right now. Sooorry!
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If your question is in context of points based immigration to places such as Australia or Canada, then I am afraid that the requirements can be and indeed are quite rigid- as are UK's. This is one of the downsides of the non-university UK qualifications, unless they are formally recognised by authorities.
However, prospective employers may be more accomodating if you provide them with credible & authoritative evididence of equivalence of qualifications.
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Jake wrote:stedman wrote:however as others have stated this can never be a degree as there is insufficient quantity of study for it to be a degree.
Just to further qualify this, I did an Environmental Health Degree which covers H&S, Risk Management, Food Safety, Publich Health, Environmental Protection and Housing. Through my degree transcript IOSH accepted that I had covered enough OHS related modules to gain GradIOSH status and only requried to complete the SDP. mike52 wrote:Originally Posted by: stedmanThis is another example of why an OS&
The message that I am trying to convey is that the NEBOSH Diploma in OH&S and an IOSH accredited degree in OH&S achieve the same objective in that is gives the candidate an initial examination route to Chartered Membership of IOSH. For the purpose on meeting this strict objective, one is not better than the other, however…………………..there is also a significant benefit these days in being a member of the degree club (not specifically the OH&S Degree club).
My advice simply on the NEBOSH Diploma vs. the OH&S Degree debate is that the NEBOSH Diploma is better undertaken after a first degree, however if a candidate does not have a degree, then the OH&S Degree should always be the first consideration.
Incidentally it was the NEBOSH Diploma which I took first in 1995 and it was later it was later that I joined the degree club with an MSc in a different subject.
Stedman from your statement it sounds that you feel that soon degress will be the only acceptable OSH qualification in the future. Assigning the Diploma to being as worthless as the Gen Cert is for getting work.
If I have misread your meaning I apologise, it is just how it seemed to come over to me.
Mike
I don't think Stedman is saying that a Degree will be the only acceptable route, just that it is preferential in many cases. This is the same for most industries, where a degree-qualified individual would probably stand out versus a non degree-qualified individual (assuming the same experience etc.).
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Jake wrote:stedman wrote:however as others have stated this can never be a degree as there is insufficient quantity of study for it to be a degree.
Just to further qualify this, I did an Environmental Health Degree which covers H&S, Risk Management, Food Safety, Publich Health, Environmental Protection and Housing. Through my degree transcript IOSH accepted that I had covered enough OHS related modules to gain GradIOSH status and only requried to complete the SDP. mike52 wrote:Originally Posted by: stedmanThis is another example of why an OS&
Stedman from your statement it sounds that you feel that soon degress will be the only acceptable OSH qualification in the future. Assigning the Diploma to being as worthless as the Gen Cert is for getting work.
If I have misread your meaning I apologise, it is just how it seemed to come over to me.
Mike
I don't think Stedman is saying that a Degree will be the only acceptable route, just that it is preferential in many cases. This is the same for most industries, where a degree-qualified individual would probably stand out versus a non degree-qualified individual (assuming the same experience etc.). The message that I am trying to convey is that the NEBOSH Diploma in OH&S and an IOSH accredited degree in OH&S achieve the same objective in that is gives the candidate an initial examination route to Chartered Membership of IOSH. For the purpose on meeting this strict objective, one is not better than the other, however…………………..there is also a significant benefit these days in being a member of the degree club (not specifically the OH&S Degree club). My advice simply on the NEBOSH Diploma vs. the OH&S Degree debate is that the NEBOSH Diploma is better undertaken after a first degree, however if a candidate does not have a degree, then the OH&S Degree should always be the first consideration. Incidentally it was the NEBOSH Diploma which I took first in 1995 and it was later it was later that I joined the degree club with an MSc in a different subject.
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There appears to be a lot of confusion, bias, misinformation etc regarding non-university health & safety diploma awards e.g. NEBOSH Diploma and University health & safety qualifications, primarily Masters Degrees.
My take on it is that as NEBOSH was previously the main route, and even today a majority of health & safetb practitioners who are in the selection/recruitment process may be biased towards the NEBOSH Diploma due to the perceived degree of difficuly in passing the exams, as it is considered as a tougher option to MSc Degrees.
The reality is that it is quite possible that when it comes to recognition of qualifications internationally at an official level, especially if it is linked to immigration/employment permit status, non-university NEBOSH qualifications may not be recognised, especially in part of the world that are not a part of the British Commonwealth and the Gulf/Middle East region.
Even in our framework, the post graduate university qualifications are at higher level than the Level 6 Diploma such as NEBOSH & BSC.
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Very interesting topic and really good input from everyone, which I have seen a bit late but it seems worth adding that the successful completion of the first year of the University of Strathclyde Safety and Risk Management programme at postgraduate level, meets the IOSH graduate memebership requirements, which seems to be why most people take the NEBOSH Diploma. The second year takes you into looking at some subjects in more detail but very importantly has you applying much of the learning from the first year to assignments. The third year develops research skills, I would suggest that there is a significant difference in the outcome from the two different approaches to health and safety learning, in my experience, the NEBOSH diploma holders seem to take a more technical view of resolving issues and the Msc holders tend to look at the broader picture. I appreciate that this is a major generalisation on my part but it's just how I have found things to be in the workplace. Either way, successful completion of the courses is a major achievement for all concerned,
John K
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Just to add my 2d worth; and at the risk of opening the old can of worms re Dip vs Degree again.
When I did my BSc Hons the first two years gave me a foundation degree, this enabled me to apply and gain GradIOSH status. The NEBOSH Dip (as other quals do too) also allows you to apply for Grad status.
I then studied for a further 2 yrs to obtain my full honours degree. Not having done the Dip I cannot comment on the content but volume of the work that I had to do for my degree was much more than anyone could have done in 12 moths or so - the course duration was a minimum of three years.
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