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Peter Clifton  
#1 Posted : 17 July 2012 13:09:09(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

Just a quick question. Is the CDM is notifiable rule '30 days or more' consecutive days or can there be a break? Thanks
Julian Hunter  
#2 Posted : 17 July 2012 13:14:26(UTC)
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Julian Hunter

All days on which construction work takes place count towards the period of construction work. Holidays and weekends do not count if no construction work takes place on these days quote from ACOP !
boblewis  
#3 Posted : 17 July 2012 20:54:03(UTC)
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boblewis

The count is with respect to the project - Whilst only working days are counted once the construction phase has started the count continues until the end of the project. Thus if you do 20 days work and then suspend for 9 days and then finish in 2 days you have technically exceeded the 30 days. More reliable is to look at the projected work content as set out by the project QS or similar. I presume you are trying to avoid a PC, CPP, CDMC and Notification. Strictly however you still need something like these albeit by another name. Bob
jfw  
#4 Posted : 18 July 2012 00:55:06(UTC)
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jfw

quote=boblewis]The count is with respect to the project - Whilst only working days are counted once the construction phase has started the count continues until the end of the project. Thus if you do 20 days work and then suspend for 9 days and then finish in 2 days you have technically exceeded the 30 days. Bob
The advice on the HSE web site gives a different answer to Bob's comment, in the FAQ it states :- Question Is my project ‘notifiable’? Answer A project is notifiable to HSE if the construction phase will be longer than 30 days, or 500 person days of construction work, except where there is a domestic client. Any day on which construction work takes place is counted. What matters is how many days of construction work the project entails, not when these days occur or the start and finish dates. For example: 1 person working for 31 days (actual construction work) – notifiable. 60 people working for 10 days = 600 person days (based on an 8-hour day) – notifiable. 90 people working 3 x 8-hour shifts (30 per shift) for 6 days = 540 person days – notifiable. 30 people working 3 x 8-hour shifts (10 per shift) for 10 days = 300 person days – not notifiable. Work carried out before the construction phase begins should not be included. Its been several years since I've been involved with a project that came under CDM, but I remember there being something in the CDM regs about them not applying if less than 5 people would be carrying out construction work. I was not sure if this still applied under the 2007 regs but a quick check of http://www.qub.ac.uk/saf...managing_contractors.pdf and it appears to still be the case, (see page 12). This contradicts the HSE own answer to the FAQ I have pasted above as there they state 1 person working 31 days is notifiable. No wonder there is confusion whether a project is notifiable when the HSE's own advise appears to contradict itself.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 18 July 2012 09:19:34(UTC)
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bob youel

Also account in some way for the days where no physical construction work is actually taking place e.g. A Sunday but the CDM site is still a CDM site e.g. The PC etc. is still responsible for that site on a non-working day
redken  
#6 Posted : 18 July 2012 09:51:13(UTC)
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redken

JFW This is the current version of the document in your link: http://books.hse.gov.uk/...alogueCode=9780717664368 And the CDM ACOP states: (3) For the purposes of these Regulations, a project is notifiable if the construction phase is likely to involve more than— (a) 30 days; or (b) 500 person days, of construction work.
boblewis  
#7 Posted : 18 July 2012 10:55:16(UTC)
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boblewis

jfs Seems I was not clear enough - I am saying precisely what the HSE states in different words, I thought a short example would make the situation clearer, wrongly it seems - Once the site starts, ie the contractor takes possession then the count starts and continues to the end of the construction phase EVEN IF the work is suspended for any duration. NB I included the days suspension in the 30 day count. One should also note that some sites have 7 day working and thus Sat and Sun will then be included. One should also be aware that the installation of the welfare for a construction site has to be complete by site start and this is also construction work for the project and is thus countable, so the term has to be contractor or PC possession Bob
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 19 July 2012 00:06:56(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

If (as previously suggested) CDM is to be redrafted to align verbatim with the parent Directive (92/57/EEC) we will soon have clarity (for some reason, HSC saw fit to leave out the "20 workers" bit): 3. In the case of constructions sites: — on which work is scheduled to last longer than 30 working days and on which more than 20 workers are occupied simultaneously, or — on which the volume of work is scheduled to exceed 500 persondays, the client or the project supervisor shall communicate a prior notice drawn up in accordance with Annex III to the competent authorities before work starts.
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