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ejb5608  
#1 Posted : 17 July 2012 12:48:31(UTC)
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ejb5608

Hi I'm trying to help my local community re establish the above. It fazed away about 10 - 15 years ago This has been a week of events including water activities in the harbour regatta type events... Coming to a finale with the carnival, including floats. There is a strong fishing/RNLI/Coastguard culture so water safety has always been taken seriously. Does anyone have any advice no matter how small particularly in the area of liability insurance and running community events that is not funded, safely? thanks in advance
Melrose80086  
#2 Posted : 17 July 2012 13:18:55(UTC)
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Melrose80086

If possible get a list of the activities that are planned, what they involve then consider any potential hazards and the risk this may pose to those participating as well as those watching as well [i.e. flying debris for example] then define any control measures necessary [exclusion zone for bystanders etc]. Having a clear chain of command for each activity helps i.e. Mr Bloggs will run this event and ensure any safety measure has been implemented. Means there is no "headless chicken" moment if something unexpected does happen and ensure this person is fully briefed about accident procedure. Can't help with liability insurance side of things I'm afraid.
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 17 July 2012 13:38:16(UTC)
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KieranD

ejb5608 I was persuaded to accept responsibility - at 48 hours notice - for safety management of a municipal town procession and carnival and have some appreciation of the potential for accidents amidst all the fun. Three things to consider as early as you can 1. Ensure that all contractors responsible for any events sign a legally binding contract in which safety provisiions are specified. 2. Where there are so many people involved in diverse kinds of events, many of them moving, it pays to conduct a thorough ergonomic risk assessment and send all contractors a copy of the risks identified with options for controlling them; if you are unable to do such a risk assessment, contract a professional ergonomist to do so as he or she should know of hosts of methods of assessing behavioural risks (as well as physical, chemical, engineering, vehicle and biological ones) that are commonly overlooked in safety situations. 3. Consult an insurer about liability cover based on the ergonomic risk assessment. 4. Issue leaflets to all contractors on the day to remind them of the limited times and areas where vehicles can be moved. 5. Get the local press to carry your messages both in advance (warnings) and afterwards (thanks). In the event referred to above, I was asked to accept responsibility after the senior municipal safety manager threatened to prohibit the event. Afterwards, he publicly praised the control of risks (although he didn't actually spot one near-miss after the official close when vehicles were moving off site).
Lisa Boulton  
#4 Posted : 17 July 2012 14:21:39(UTC)
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Lisa Boulton

Think about setting up a local committe for the event and then assign people with jobs or roles that they can then be responsible for, it can include fundraising, insurance, licences, publicity etc. There may be someone in the local community who works in insurance or H&S (!) who can give you some advice or other people with 'specialisms' that you can use. Try and work with some local companies who may sponsor the event or help by providing non monetary things including expert advice. Target companies who have specialisms you need. Have you tried contacting other community groups who organise events who can give you some help and guidance? I would suggest you write an 'event managment plan' that includes topics such as: expected numbers, access and egress, parking, public transport links, adverse weather, toilets, food and drinks vendors, stewarding, security, advertising, insurance, licences from the Council, informing the local police, road closures, emergency arrangements, communication. Even if you don't think you need these things, writing them down and thinking about them and writing down whether these things are needed or not can help pull it together and shows you gave it some thought. If you are allowing outside businesses to participate ask to see copies of their public liability insurance for your records. Also allow plenty of time on the planning of the event and also do a de-brief after to note what went well and what needs improving. Check out the HSE website as well. If you PM me your e mail address I have a template you can use for the planning side.
PH2  
#5 Posted : 17 July 2012 14:52:05(UTC)
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PH2

Hi, I agree with the other posters guidance on planning, committees, contingencies etc. There is comprehensive guidance in the free HGS book HSG 195: be warned though if you do decide to download it - its 190 pages long, so be selective about which sections of the book apply.
Phil Grace  
#6 Posted : 17 July 2012 17:26:04(UTC)
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Phil Grace

As regards insurance - some statements of the obvious: EL:- You won't need this since I doubt there will any employees e.g. of the committee or whoever is running event Property Insurance: I doubt you will have any property of your own so insurance against theft, loss or damage by fire etc will not be needed Public Liability: This is what you will need - protects against eventuality that members of public are injured or their property is damaged and they then sue you! Pluvius: This is essentially cancellation cover - can provide some cash to cover expenses/initial outlay in the event that the whole thing has to be called off. Maybe worth considering although can be expensive Contractors/Suppliers etc: You MUST ensure that any firm that delivers anything into the event - from catering to temporary stands/seating, from PA system to barriers has their own PL cover. You should ask for confirmation of their cover. Broker: You should get in touch with a broker who specialises in such insurance. They can help you determine exactly what level of cover is needed and help you find a suitable insurer. You can contact the brokers trade body (BIBA) for guidance, telephone numbers etc. Bit better than using Yellow Pages or web search! Phil
ejb5608  
#7 Posted : 17 July 2012 22:08:16(UTC)
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ejb5608

Thanks for this advice so far its good to know I was thinking along the right lines. There are a few ex Royal/Merchant Navy folks who would be best suited to the water side of things. Lisa I will pm you tomorrow if that's ok and KieranD I have only just taken my NEBOSH Gen Cert and know my limits! Im also reading the HSE Event guide. As for the insurance info that is most helpful If I were to offer my knowledge could that come back on me? is professional indemnity an issue?
Phil Grace  
#8 Posted : 18 July 2012 09:23:32(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Re: Professional Indemnity cover: My view is "No". PI cover is relevant to situations where a professionals e.g. an architect, solictor, Chatered Accont or simialr offers advice "for a fee". The person receiving that advice generally acts upon that advice - and if it were to be wrong then they mght suffer a loss - usually financial. Where a person offers advice within the context of their employement e.g. an engineer offering his employer technical advice regarding some aspect of a production line issue then PI is not relevant. Similarly an engineer who offers advice to his employer's customers does not need PI cover since the advice is being given in connection with the sale/supply of a product. It is my opinion that the giving of advice in connection with the planning and organising of a charity/social event such as you describe does not require that you have PI cover. But ask your friendly broker for a second opinion. Phil
KieranD  
#9 Posted : 18 July 2012 09:57:23(UTC)
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KieranD

ejb5608 It's impossible to overemphasise the significance of investing in communications and the best possible human relationships. When these 'work', you always have reliable safety nets that you may not even need. In the event I refer to, the local police force withdrew from the carnival, letting me know they were on-call if need be (which was re-assuring when it became necessary to physically confront the contractor with the largest vehicle on site, who tried to violate groundrules and was prevented only by exercise of a very simple but demonstrative pre-arranged manoeuvre of a small group from the security team from the local football club). By the way, such communications are a core element of 'cognitive' ergonomics.
ejb5608  
#10 Posted : 18 July 2012 13:23:04(UTC)
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ejb5608

Phil your insurance undestanding has been most helpful and possibly saved me alot of money Kieran as an ex officer no comment! I must look into the cognitive ergonomics it sounds interesting
KieranD  
#11 Posted : 18 July 2012 17:06:06(UTC)
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KieranD

These titles offer good introductions to cognitve ergonomics applicable to safety Moggridge, B. Designing Interfaces. The MIT Press. 2007 Pheasant, S. Ergonomics, Work and Health. Macmillan. 1992. Pheasant, S. and Haslegrave, C. Bodyspace: Anthropometry, Ergonomics and the Design of Work, Third edition. CRC Press. 2005 Reason, J Human Error. Cambridge University Press. . 1990. Reason, J. Managing the Risks of Organizational Accidents. Ashgate Publishing Ltd. 1997. You can p m me if you'd like to read a conferennce paper with a short case study applying this research to safety management in a town procession and carnival
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