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alan w houghton  
#1 Posted : 18 July 2012 15:51:14(UTC)
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alan w houghton

Hello

We have just recruited a 16 year old within our workshop

He has started early so he can get an understanding of how the workshop operates etc prior to starting college in Septemebr

We have done a young person risk assessment and ensure he is 100% fully supervised etc etc

He has asked can he work overtime, having been through the regs am I write in thinking as long as he does not exceed 48 hours ?

Anyone with a clear understanding please make it simple for someone of my limited knowledge

TA
redken  
#2 Posted : 18 July 2012 15:55:24(UTC)
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redken

Why should he work overtime? Does the comapny need him to work overtime?
alan w houghton  
#3 Posted : 18 July 2012 15:57:09(UTC)
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alan w houghton

No but want to keep his enthusiasm up
sean  
#4 Posted : 18 July 2012 16:06:17(UTC)
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Alan there are strict restrictions for young workers, please see attachment.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/youngpeople/law/hours.htm
Cooper103721  
#5 Posted : 18 July 2012 16:07:49(UTC)
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Cooper103721

Alan,

I draw your attention to this link

http://www.direct.gov.uk...bilitiesatwork/DG_174530

Bob
alan w houghton  
#6 Posted : 18 July 2012 16:12:35(UTC)
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alan w houghton

Cheers he won't be working more than 40 hours

Alan
messyshaw  
#7 Posted : 18 July 2012 17:00:33(UTC)
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messyshaw

Don't forget the requirements of the Fire Safety Order (RRO):
Article 9 (1), (4) and (5) - plus,
Schedule 1, part 2

Refers to an additional RA when young person (< 18 years old) is employed
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 18 July 2012 23:38:40(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

messyshaw wrote:
Don't forget the requirements of the Fire Safety Order (RRO):
Article 9 (1), (4) and (5) - plus,
Schedule 1, part 2

Refers to an additional RA when young person (< 18 years old) is employed


None of the above requires an "additional" (i.e. separate) assessment. Rather, the existing risk assessment has to take into account relevant risk groups -in the same way MHSWR R.19 requires.
Graham Bullough  
#9 Posted : 19 July 2012 14:40:14(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

As an aside it's good to read of a young person who is keen to work and develop some experience.

Those of you who saw the TV programme (BBC1) "The Town that never retired" last week led by Nick Hewer and Margaret Mountford about the pros and cons of employing young jobseekers versus pensioners will have cringed at the sloppy irresponsible attitudes and behaviours demonstrated by some of the young (alleged) jobseekers temporarily taken on by different employers and filmed for the programme. One young man only worked a morning at a factory before heading home at lunchtime (allegedly with a stomach upset) and didn't bother to let his employer know. Another jobseeker did a stint at a restaurant but didn't arrive next day. Moreover, she didn't think there was any need to let the employer know she couldn't come - also because of a stomach upset - allegedly. Perhaps they were really actors who were good at portraying feckless young people for the sake of an interesting semi-entertaining documentary. However, if they were real jobseekers, surely the fact that they knew they were being filmed for a national TV programme ought to have had some influence on their behaviour, etc.

Better stop now before anyone tries to sign me up as a columnist for any 'daily wail' type newspapers with readers who need a regular diet of whinge-style articles to feed their craving for indignation! :-)
messyshaw  
#10 Posted : 19 July 2012 14:52:25(UTC)
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messyshaw

ron hunter wrote:
messyshaw wrote:
Don't forget the requirements of the Fire Safety Order (RRO):
Article 9 (1), (4) and (5) - plus,
Schedule 1, part 2

Refers to an additional RA when young person (< 18 years old) is employed


None of the above requires an "additional" (i.e. separate) assessment. Rather, the existing risk assessment has to take into account relevant risk groups -in the same way MHSWR R.19 requires.


Ron, of course you are absolutely correct. It's my poor choice of words.

To comply with these articles, it maybe required to review the existing FRA. Therefore I should have described the possible action as a 'FRA review' and not an 'additional RA'.

Although (to be pedantic) this would - where such action is appropriate- constitute an additional RA in terms that there would need to be an additional RA carried out, and any additional significant findings would need to be added to the original FRA .
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