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ExDeeps  
#1 Posted : 12 July 2012 09:59:02(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Ladies and gents, Having spent time visiting various company sites delivering a little bit of training I began to wonder why a small section on tool box talks was proving so difficult to deliver. Finally it came to a head when guys from two sites were in the room and had a very intricate discussion which identified that each site (and individual) has a very different view of Tool Box Talks dependant on their own paradigm. So, my question; What is a tool box talk and when would one be appropriate or required. There are NO wrong answers, there are NO right answers, I am just curious to see how many different answers we can generate..... Over to you, Jim
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 12 July 2012 10:15:49(UTC)
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RayRapp

Good question ExDeeps, I dare say there will be many different responses...meanwhile, my understanding of a TBT is a short aid memoir on a particular subject, which ideally should be related to the task in hand. Of course, TBTs are often used for all manner of so-called training and refreshers, especially following an accident or incident where the action is a TBT on... Personally, I dislike TBTs for this very reason, a lazy and often inappropriate substitute for proper training and instruction.
NR  
#3 Posted : 12 July 2012 10:25:23(UTC)
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NR

Tool Box Talks in the company I work have become weekly "safety" messages sent to all staff via the PC which cover a multitude of topics including safety at home , in the car and at work etc Due to this, we are introducing TSTI- Total Safety Task Instructions which are traditional TBT ie the supervisors engages with the workers about to undertake a task and covers the sequence of events, hazards associated with the activity, controls..................
KAJ Safe  
#4 Posted : 12 July 2012 11:55:13(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

We use a toolbox talk if there has been a mimor incident that we feel needs to be put to the workforce as a reminder of what could have happened (please note anything major does result in a full investigation). It is also used if we feel things have laxed and need a prod.
pete48  
#5 Posted : 12 July 2012 13:10:26(UTC)
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pete48

Tool box talks are a simple, one subject, short meeting. Held in the workplace and must be relevant to the people involved, their exposures, their problems, their concerns and their needs. They should be interactive and not a talking head presentation. Short, simple to do, focused. Used as part of a planned mgmt programme and well used by front line supervisors etc they are very effective in both reminding people of the hazards around them and for collecting issues associated with the specific subject matter in their workplaces. Used as a downward tell 'em they are pretty horrid. Badly planned and presented they are equally horrid. As a slightly humurous aside, those of us who underwent indoctrination, in the eighties, via ISRS and Loss Control Leadership may well remember one of the 'show and tell safety tips'. It started with "Bring a toy grenade to the meeting explaining that many work materials are as dangerous as a real hand grenade." I don't think I would want to carry one to work 30 years on !! Mind you I did think it was a rather childish and patronising example at the time. p48
SafetyGirl  
#6 Posted : 12 July 2012 13:32:02(UTC)
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SafetyGirl

I've worked in a variety of places and have seen them used very differently. Like Ray, I've seen them used after an accident. I've seen them used to deliver a weekly safety message. I personally think they way my company uses them is the better way - before each scope of work, using the risk assessment as the base for the discussion. We use Time Out For Safety for when the scope of work has changed during the task, to reassess and discuss and Weekly Safety Focus to discuss accidents, incidents, industry news, specific topics. Again, no right or wrong way, just more preferred.
Lawlee45239  
#7 Posted : 12 July 2012 13:46:08(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

For me TBT's are used as a weekly topic to be discussed during worker engagement sessions, all relative to the groundwork construction sector, or the activities going on on that site.
DaveDowan  
#8 Posted : 12 July 2012 15:39:06(UTC)
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DaveDowan

A ‘toolbox talk’ is a short presentation to the workforce on a single aspect of health and safety lasting about 5 or 10 minute. They can be an effective part of a construction safety program. Site-specific health and safety issues cab be discussed. Often the short, targeted training stresses the importance of the topic to employees. They can address actual and anticipated safety concerns for scheduled project work. The talks provide an opportunity to relate specific safety concerns with the jobs to be performed.
ian_the_ex_medic  
#9 Posted : 13 July 2012 08:35:53(UTC)
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ian_the_ex_medic

I'm working on a gas pipeline infrastructure project and a TBT for us is simply a talk at the beginning of any one particular activity, usually delivered by the supervisor of that job with the guys doing the job taking part. (with support from the HSE team) It should for the most part be specific to that activity. Ours tend to go through the JSA, identify's any concerns that anyone has, makes sure each person understands their role and that the relevent precautions are in place. For us its the last step in the risk management process, the RA's, HAZOPS, JSA's etc have all usually been complted previously and in advance. The TBT is the last chance for the guys to make sure that they are both happy and safe to proceed with whatever the task is. I have also though in our industry often seem them corrupted into a safety talk. i.e. pick a subject and discuss it. Not my preferred way as the admin girl rarely needs a lecture on lifting and rigging...... I have also seen less scupulous contractors getting the workforce to sign them off as a method of transference if it all goes pear shaped.
teh_boy  
#10 Posted : 13 July 2012 11:37:09(UTC)
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teh_boy

Ian's approach is what I experienced in the chemical industry, and I think more the traditional idea (foreman standing on toolbox at start of shift / other key time) Toolbox talks were relevant to the job about to be undertaken, regular safety topics as stated by others above were also given every week but fell under the behavioural safety umbrella and carried a different name.
garryw1509  
#11 Posted : 16 July 2012 14:40:05(UTC)
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garryw1509

Good question on a topic that irritates me. As said earlier no rights or wrongs, but for me a TBT should be a "PROACTIVE & INTERACTIVE" safety briefing pre-planned for a particular task or activity and presented by the works supervisor to the working party. Industry IMO, has got into the habit of carrying out a TBT following an accident / incident which for me is as useful as a chocolate fire guard. My biggest gripe is when a tool box talk is presented to me as evidence of training.
jontyjohnston  
#12 Posted : 16 July 2012 16:05:19(UTC)
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jontyjohnston

Have to agree with Ray & Pete and a few others! I started employment as a maintenance fitter a "few!" moons ago and a tool box talk was exactly that, we sat on our tool boxes whilst the foreman told us what we would be working on that day, it was timely, specific and clear. Its since become a tick in the box exercise, one major constructor I worked for previously had 52 prepared talks....One for each week, something I binned ASAP. I mean how many times can you tell a construction worker about PPE policy, complying with rules, etc before you lose their interest?
NR  
#13 Posted : 16 July 2012 16:13:43(UTC)
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NR

"Industry IMO, has got into the habit of carrying out a TBT following an accident / incident which for me is as useful as a chocolate fire guard. My biggest gripe is when a tool box talk is presented to me as evidence of training." 1. If there are lessons to be learnt from the investigation isn't this a useful tool to communicate the lesson(s)? My gripe is that the lesson dies with that TBT and doesn't continue onto new starters etc (I recognise there are many ways to ensure continuity of lessons) 2. Given that this topic has established TBT's can be delivered and used in many forms why cant it be evidence of training, or is your training always in a classroom with lots of power point slides?
garryw1509  
#14 Posted : 16 July 2012 16:54:49(UTC)
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garryw1509

NR wrote:
"Industry IMO, has got into the habit of carrying out a TBT following an accident / incident which for me is as useful as a chocolate fire guard. My biggest gripe is when a tool box talk is presented to me as evidence of training." 1. If there are lessons to be learnt from the investigation isn't this a useful tool to communicate the lesson(s)? My gripe is that the lesson dies with that TBT and doesn't continue onto new starters etc (I recognise there are many ways to ensure continuity of lessons) 2. Given that this topic has established TBT's can be delivered and used in many forms why cant it be evidence of training, or is your training always in a classroom with lots of power point slides?
NR, On the first point I dont have any problem with anyone conveying learning points in whatever way they care to do so; maybe I didnt clearly identify my main issue is with the "magic sponge" in the shape of a toolbox talk being used as an action following adverse events. Clearly locking the stable door when the horse is far far away and probably (in my experience) going through information the recipients of the TBT are fully aware of and have been working too for many years and have heard on numerous occasions. I have seen the glazed look on so so many faces on sites when the yellow GT700 gets pulled out by a well meaning managers pocket. In regards to training; powerpoint presentations with lots of slides and nice clip art images leave me equally cold; however again thats just personal opinion being a huge supporter of interactive learning as I strongly believe this type of training can demonstrate greater retained learning; however to say that a toolbox talk can be provided as a means of training (or competence) doesnt cut it with me I,m afraid but thats a different topic. As the original poster quite rightly stated, no rights or wrongs just opinions.
TSC  
#15 Posted : 16 July 2012 19:13:36(UTC)
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TSC

TBT are named as they were a quick brief to staff in the work area. Put them in a classroom like so many companies do at the start of the day and the shutters come down. If the belief in the reasoning behind the need for a toolbox talk or what they hope to achieve from it is not understood by employees or more to the point a lack of buy in then the shutters come down. I have always believed them to be a quick communication tool (should allow it both ways), specific to the employees work and a way to give a timely reminder to employees on things such as key points in Risk Assessments, procedures, common hazards etc. To some degree I think the friday morning 8am every week out of a set book is not an effective approach and they need to (IMO) pack punch. NR's point about toolbox talks being put on the shelf so to speak i.e. not being passed is common. As the saying goes organisations don't remember it is the people and commonly no continuity is put in place. Regards KS
ExDeeps  
#16 Posted : 19 July 2012 22:53:07(UTC)
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ExDeeps

To all those that replied to my OP, thanks for the feed back. As I suspected, it would seem we all use the term "Tool Box Talk" in slightly, no make that widely differing ways. A salutary lesson to check our understanding of a common word or phrase depending on the situation, industry or location, Many Thanks, Jim
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