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Carrier80100  
#1 Posted : 19 July 2012 17:19:49(UTC)
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Carrier80100

Hi all feeling lazy, can anyone point me to the HSE definition of "Significant" in relation to risk? regards
Barnaby again  
#2 Posted : 19 July 2012 19:23:24(UTC)
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Barnaby again

Carrier80100 wrote:
feeling lazy,
Me too
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 19 July 2012 22:28:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

Me too
Barnaby you cheeky boy - made me laugh. Seriously, I can't recall ever seeing a HSE definition of 'significant'. I presume it does what it says on the tin.
Alex Whittle  
#4 Posted : 19 July 2012 23:02:13(UTC)
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Alex Whittle

Good question! the way I see it, A simplistic reference that I recall is in the 5 steps to RA. Record significant findings! Basically findings that are relevant or meaningful that are appropriate to the hazard, so that YOU can evalutae and control the likelihood therefore the risk. Likewise, I am tired and too bone idle to look any deeper at this time. Alex
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 19 July 2012 23:31:12(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

significant = something more than trivial.
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 20 July 2012 07:47:26(UTC)
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chris.packham

Ron Fine, but now I need a definition of trivial! According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary: significant -1. having a meaning, indicative. 2. having an unstated or secret meaning, suggestive. 3. noteworthy, important, consequential. 4. Statistics - of or relating to the significance in the difference between an observed and calculated result. trivial - 1. of small value or importance, trifling. 2 of a person concerned only with trivial things. 3. commonplace or humdrum. Does this leave me any the wiser? Not really! Chris
safetyamateur  
#7 Posted : 20 July 2012 08:34:25(UTC)
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safetyamateur

I gave up trying to define these things years ago. 'Adequate', 'suitable', sufficient'. It's so subjective. I just keep going until I stop feeling 'niggling doubt'.
Carrier80100  
#8 Posted : 20 July 2012 09:08:31(UTC)
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Carrier80100

Thanks one and all Firstly I wasn't being lazy, although appreciated jovial responses, just trying to cover my inadequacies of finding anything with clarity, but it appears it's another one of those "you'll never know the answer until you get it wrong" peter
David Bannister  
#9 Posted : 20 July 2012 09:10:33(UTC)
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David Bannister

What is absolutely and sadly certain is that a claimant solicitor will have a very different opinion to a safety professional.
Jake  
#10 Posted : 20 July 2012 09:17:40(UTC)
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Jake

david bannister wrote:
What is absolutely and sadly certain is that a claimant solicitor will have a very different opinion to a safety professional.
I'd agree, which is annoying, but not the end of the world. If the court take a different opinion however...
jde  
#11 Posted : 20 July 2012 10:18:05(UTC)
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jde

a recent example which i came across is the JCB operators manual. It has obviously been written by a risk averse lawyer! Every action in lifting with the back hoe has a warning triangle and a " recommendation" that loads should be lifted no more than 25-50mm from the ground, a guide line attached etc" The fact that the machine is designed to lift items great than an inch or two above the ground seems to have been lost. When I gave my opinion to an incident where the driver completely ignored the fact he had chains to lift small items of plant and not manually handle them into the bucket, where he slipped because he hadn't lowered the bucket fully, the manual was quoted by the lawyers despite a relevant RA and MS to carry out the operation. The world has gone crazy!
T0mm1e  
#12 Posted : 20 July 2012 10:34:01(UTC)
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T0mm1e

Does this help to clarify? Enabling the application of a risk based filter to select those hazards which present a real health or safety risk and prioritise these into the most serious (red) and significant risk (amber). Low risk complaints (green will not be followed up by HSE). Health & Safety Inspectors focus on incidents where there is a significant risk of an injury from an identified hazard. Using the same approach, you can decide whether there is a significant risk by: looking at the work areas & discussing the tasks; e.g. maintenance, cleaning etc to identify where potential risks are/could be present.
RayRapp  
#13 Posted : 20 July 2012 10:35:39(UTC)
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RayRapp

Ah, but lawyers love to prevaricate over semantics. Indeed, I went to a seminar on corporate manslaughter a few years ago given by an eminent barrister, all I recall from the event is him saying 'in the Act there is no definition of blah, blah,' and 'we will have to wait and see how that turns out.' How very enlightening!
NEE' ONIONS MATE!  
#14 Posted : 20 July 2012 12:30:04(UTC)
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NEE' ONIONS MATE!

It means different things to different situations. Significant (or substantial) in 'change management' terms has huge connotations in the rail industry requiring independent verification of projects falling within its scope.
jericho  
#15 Posted : 20 July 2012 14:07:37(UTC)
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jericho

We contacted the HSE many years ago and asked them this very question. Their reply..... Anything that is not insignificant. Well think about it. It was the wrong question really. What we were after were examples of what significant looked like. They couldn't give us that because they didn't know our business. Significant is a relative term; relative to you and what you do. Significant to bomb disposal unit or public order policing would be different to a small corner grocer. You can define one by defining the other. In terms of risk assessment (no not going to get into what that is) we determine significant RISK as being anything that would be assigned a score of either low medium or high. If you can't assign a value because there are no significant finding, it would be insignificant risk. Low is NOT insignificant. However, in terms of defining which tasks we risk assess and in what order we'd do it, we look at the significance of the task. Is it core - something that if we stopped would prevent us from operating? Or, is it something that supports or enables a core task to be undertaken, without which we would eventually stop. Or is it pretty miscellaneous that we do, but could actually stop now with little consequence. So, the term significant can be used in different circumstances, but, the HSE were right. It's simply the opposite of insignificant. Jericho
SP900308  
#16 Posted : 20 July 2012 14:20:34(UTC)
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SP900308

Dear Carrier, Opening line.... 'Hi all, feeling lazy' Latter post..... Firstly I wasn't being lazy' Make your mind up... they are significantly different! I'm off to bed now, good morning all.
farmsafety  
#17 Posted : 21 July 2012 11:26:10(UTC)
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farmsafety

From the HSE website: "What are significant risks? Risks, which are significant, are those that are not trivial in nature and are capable of creating a real risk to health and safety which any reasonable person would appreciate and would take steps to guard against. What can be considered as "insignificant" will vary from site to site and activity to activity depending on specific circumstances. However, we have highlighted some areas which can be considered as insignificant through our Myth of the Month e.g. conkers, toothpicks, hanging baskets etc." http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/faq.htm
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