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Laura Steer  
#1 Posted : 24 July 2012 13:46:47(UTC)
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Laura Steer

Hi, I have been asked about whether or not there is an issue of people using electronic cigarettes at work, and to be honest, I have no clue. Just wondered if anyone out there had come across a similar issue or knows if there is any guidance on this topic? Thanks for any help, suggestions or advice. Thanks
DaveDowan  
#2 Posted : 24 July 2012 14:54:39(UTC)
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DaveDowan

Hi Try this link which give you information regarding legality. Some of our staff have asked about using them and our HR team has agrred that they can be used! http://e-cigaretteinfo.n...ronic-cigarettes-at-work Regards Dave
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 24 July 2012 15:25:08(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

DaveDowan wrote:
Hi Try this link which give you information regarding legality. Some of our staff have asked about using them and our HR team has agrred that they can be used! http://e-cigaretteinfo.n...ronic-cigarettes-at-work Regards Dave This is a site promoting e-cigarettes but they are probably legal in the UK
Kate  
#4 Posted : 24 July 2012 15:28:24(UTC)
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Kate

There have been several threads on this on this forum - if you are lucky enough that the forum search facility happens to work on your computer, you can find them that way.
Terry556  
#5 Posted : 24 July 2012 15:35:37(UTC)
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Terry556

HR have banned the use of electronic cigarettes in offices, canteen and the factory floor, as it is not an H & S issue, I wasn't involved, I think HR were right to ban the use inside the premises
Craig Robertson  
#6 Posted : 24 July 2012 15:42:39(UTC)
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Craig Robertson

They have been banned on flights to offshore installations as they are classed as toxic.
Healthy Di  
#7 Posted : 24 July 2012 18:24:29(UTC)
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Healthy Di

Good evening, we had the same question raised this afternoon at a meeting. Has no-one thought of the fire/explosion aspect of these e-cigarettes? On this occasion it was a lithium battery issue. See the article in Daily Mail 15th February 2012. www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...rette-knocks-teeth.html. Great to see that Off-shore have banned them. Any work place with high risk elements should consider the point very carefully. Also e-cigarettes can be purchased with "fill your own filters". How can you determine what these filters contain? There are many issues relating to this type product and careful consideration is required.
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 25 July 2012 09:10:33(UTC)
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bob youel

There are a number of issues here and the question of legality is a silly and distracting one as its legal to own a gun but is it acceptable to wave it around in the workplace? - people are playing with words Additionally as I know it there has been no medical study regarding the fumes that are given off to prove/ disprove their potential for causing problems and as fumes come under COSHH we need to take a stand and act cautiously until such time as we can provide a considered opinion and I say that if there are fumes present then it is a H&S issue as an aside its a terrible habit and at a meeting recently many people were openly offended when a person used one of these things
NEE' ONIONS MATE!  
#9 Posted : 25 July 2012 16:38:17(UTC)
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NEE' ONIONS MATE!

It's a perception thing by and large. We operate a very firm alcohol and drugs policy, but I often wonder what would happen if I arrived at a meeting with a six pack of 0% beer and a plastic cup?
messyshaw  
#10 Posted : 25 July 2012 20:15:30(UTC)
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messyshaw

Do these ridiculous e-cigs work, in that do they help people quit the weed? If there is substantial & reliable evidence that they do surely, the HEALTH and safety industry (er...us) should be as positive as possible to accommodate them into the workplace There seems to be a negative attitude running through some of this thread and much of the wider H&S community. It seems to me that with the exception of high risk workplaces, such as offshore and COMAH sites, employers should where possible, adopt a 'can-do' approach aimed at assisting employees in improving their health (and of course, their productivity!)
pseudonym  
#11 Posted : 26 July 2012 07:53:24(UTC)
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pseudonym

There are also other issues such as COSHH / CLAW / hygiene rules etc -- on our site seating / drinking / smoking aree not permitted except designated locations, in which one must be clean & out of work wear.Since these things go hand to mouth like the regular version, our site rules effectively ban them - we have even discussed providing an e-cig "smoking shelter" specifically for their use. So far on site very few people seem to be using them at the moment
achrn  
#12 Posted : 26 July 2012 08:26:20(UTC)
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achrn

messyshaw wrote:
Do these ridiculous e-cigs work, in that do they help people quit the weed? If there is substantial & reliable evidence that they do surely, the HEALTH and safety industry (er...us) should be as positive as possible to accommodate them into the workplace There seems to be a negative attitude running through some of this thread and much of the wider H&S community. It seems to me that with the exception of high risk workplaces, such as offshore and COMAH sites, employers should where possible, adopt a 'can-do' approach aimed at assisting employees in improving their health (and of course, their productivity!)
This comment seems based on the premise that the fumes given out do zero harm to other employees. While it may be a reasonable assumption that smoking an e-cig does the smoker less harm than smoking a real cigarette, I am yet to see any reliable-looking evidence (let alone proof) that they do less harm to those being passively expose to the fumes. Even if proven not harmful, it also assumes that the fumes others get exposed to are not distracting or annoying. If someone wanted to light up some joss sticks at their desk, or set running some other fume-emitting device they've brought in from home, we probably wouldn't allow it either.
m  
#13 Posted : 26 July 2012 08:27:15(UTC)
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m

pseudonym wrote:
There are also other issues such as COSHH / CLAW / hygiene rules etc -- on our site seating / drinking / smoking aree not permitted except designated locations, in which one must be clean & out of work wear.Since these things go hand to mouth like the regular version, our site rules effectively ban them - we have even discussed providing an e-cig "smoking shelter" specifically for their use. So far on site very few people seem to be using them at the moment
I am not sure how CLAW (lead) comes into this, I thought these 'e-cigarettes' just gave you a puff of nicotine.
achrn  
#14 Posted : 26 July 2012 08:32:36(UTC)
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achrn

achrn wrote:
I am yet to see any reliable-looking evidence (let alone proof) that they do less harm to those being passively expose to the fumes.
Sorry - that being exposed to the fumes of an e-cig does less (or not more) harm than not being exposed to any fumes at all. That is - even if passive e-cig smoking is probably not very harmful, if it's harmful at all then allowing it is not promoting health in the workplace.
B.Bruce  
#15 Posted : 26 July 2012 08:51:44(UTC)
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B.Bruce

I tend to agree with achrn and others. The fumes from E-cigarettes have not been tested (if they have, the results havent been published in the Public Domain). It seems contradictory for health and safety professionals to advocate the use of something which is potentially damaging without knowledge of the health risks for others. What is wrong with smokers using the e-cigarette at the smoking shelter during their morning/afternoon breaks or lunchtime? I dont get extra breaks to have a coffee or read of the newspaper!
pseudonym  
#16 Posted : 26 July 2012 08:59:16(UTC)
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pseudonym

Just like smoking an ordinary cigarette the hand - mouth / sucking on the end of something (and yes sucking a pen / pencil would also count) is seriously not a good idea in, for sake of argument, battery recycling (& hence the application of CLAW) or any other "lead" industry
Graham Bullough  
#17 Posted : 26 July 2012 09:42:39(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Leave aside the arguments about 1) the health benefits or otherwise of electronic cigarettes [e-cigs for brevity] and 2) their evident exemption from the law which prohibits conventional smoking of tobacco in designated types of locations. If e-cigs look similar to ordinary cigarettes when used, surely they pose major practical problems for employers and other organisations when trying to ensure that employees, visitors and passengers comply with the legislation about smoking. This point was made quite clearly in responses to earlier threads about e-cigs. Furthermore, employers and other organisations can establish their own rules to ban e-cigs if they wish - just as they can about other matters such as dress codes for employees. As an absurd example, an employer could require all or some employees to wear red plastic noses. Mind you, in the case of clowns working at circuses and theme parks, this wouldn't be absurd! p.s. a whimsical thought: Following the highly publicised incident sparked (!) by someone furtively smoking an e-cig on a coach on the M6 on 5th July, I wonder if the makers of e-cigs have added to their product packaging a warning that 'use of this product on a bus or coach may seriously interrupt your journey' ! :-)
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