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decimomal  
#1 Posted : 26 July 2012 08:59:07(UTC)
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decimomal

I am having difficulty in identifying composite panels in a workplace. Are there organisations that would do this if we sent them a sample? It is all to do with insurance and insurers wanting to know the type of panelling.

Ta.
mootoppers  
#2 Posted : 26 July 2012 12:33:59(UTC)
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mootoppers

My mind immediately went to asbestos reading this....breaking off a bit and popping it in the post!

I'm sure you're not talking about those types of panels(!) and past asking any local friendly designers, could you request a quote for replacement and see what is said on the walkround? A bit sneaky but effective. Alternatively - photos and ask any likely colleagues or friends who might deal with them.
David Bannister  
#3 Posted : 26 July 2012 12:43:39(UTC)
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David Bannister

Very difficult to identify if there is no makers mark on the individual panels or no original drawing/specs. Landlord or previous tenant may assist. Complete removal of a couple of panels may reveal markings, sometimes printed or embossed on the hidden edges.

Insurers are (rightly) wary of the earlier foam sandwich panels as they burn very well and have been involved in many large fires, notably in the food industry. Later buildings or refits (this century) are more likely to have the fire-retarded ones that insurers are more tolerant of. If you cannot convince your insurers you may well be hit with significant premium increases or a requirement for active fire protection.
pl53  
#4 Posted : 26 July 2012 13:06:25(UTC)
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pl53

Composite panels usually have 3 types of infill, these being polystyrene, manmade mineral fibre or polyisocyanurate (PIR). Unless the panels are really ancient I don't think you will come across any asbestos infill, in fact I have never heard of asbestos infill in composite panels (doesn't mean they don't exist).
We are about to commission a survey of our composite panels for our asset protection programme and will probably use a company called OHS based in Leeds.

decimomal  
#5 Posted : 26 July 2012 13:12:57(UTC)
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decimomal

Thanks for the replies folks. The asbestos issue is a bit of a red herring I think. We are just trying to establish what the compo panels are.
Rob M  
#6 Posted : 26 July 2012 13:45:19(UTC)
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Rob M

i am a timber technologist and buildings maintinance engineer, if you send me some pics i will give it a go for you

robertwmorris@hotmail.co.uk
stevie40  
#7 Posted : 26 July 2012 14:25:09(UTC)
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stevie40

Take a look at the EPIC website here
http://www.epic.uk.com/topic_3.jsp

Engineered Panels in Construction.

They have downloadable guides on how to carry out an assessment and identify panel types by profile and visible cores.

I used to do this when I did insurance property fire surveys and the easy bits to reach where as follows:-
- At the bottom of a panel where it sits on a dwarf wall if present - hardly ever capped.
- On openings added at a later date which have not been capped or capped with ill fitting caps.
- Any service penetrations (should be avoided, particularly electrical).
- Sections damaged by FLT where the metal skin has begun to deaminate.

EPS and mineral fibre are easy to ID.
Difference between PUR and PIR is harder - there is only a few molecules difference in the foam infill material. Your insurers may treat PUR and PIR the same for rating purposes anyway.

EPS (Expanded polystyrene) presence may well result in premium loadings or withdrawal of cover unless you can show exemplary panel management systems for repair, hot works etc.
alan w houghton  
#8 Posted : 26 July 2012 15:04:28(UTC)
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alan w houghton

Decimomal

Please forward me photo's as we are always installing composite panels of many descriptions

Someone in my organisation will know where there from etc

Cheers
Alan
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