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Hello,
A new colleague is proudly flashing off his DipSM status on his business card. What level is this accreditation?
I think he took the course in the 90's ?
Any info would be a help
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Hi Lisa,
the Diploma in Safety Management was offered by the British Safety Council in the 1990's as a direct competitor against the Nebosh Diploma. I, like many other people, chose to study for the latter because IOSH had been pushing hard to become Chartered. I think that was the reason the DipSM was to be seen as a "less attractive" option; I am NOT saying that NEBOSH Diploma was in any way a better qualification.
I note that the British Safety Council are offering another Diploma (in Occupational Safety and Health) at Level 6.
PH2
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Hi PH2 , So is this good enough to be a company safety officer , is it a high accreditation to have?
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Lisa,
I dont know becuase I studied the NEBOSH Diploma, but if you look on Linkedin or Google "DipSM" there seems to be a lot of people that are in the H&S profession who have the DipSM. Why not contact the British Safety Council directly to see if their Diploma was ever third party accredited, and at what level?
PH2
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Hi lisareed,
As PH2 has said, The DipSM (Diploma in Safety Management) is the British Safety Council's old diploma qualification, which has now been replaced by their Level 6 Diploma in Occupational Safety and Health.
While it shows a reasonable level of health and safety knowledge (I have one myself!), it is not accredited in the same way as the NEBOSH Level 6 Diploma or British Safety Council's Level 6 Diploma, in that it doesn't have a level/position on the national qualifications framework. The DipSM examination was multiple-choice, whereas diploma qualifications these days are examined using long and short answer essay questions. IOSH would not accept the DipSM as part of Chartered status.
Depending on the type of industry you're in (i.e. not high risk), I'd say it should be okay for a safety officer, provided they also have relevant experience etc. It might be worth perhaps considering a NEBOSH Level 3 Certificate as things have changed a little since the 1990s.
Hope that helps.
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lisareed wrote:Hi PH2 , So is this good enough to be a company safety officer , is it a high accreditation to have?
Lisa
It must also be remembered that just because someone has say IOSH, NEBOSH, BSC accreditation, then this alone does not show that they are competent; by the same token, not having accreditation of any of the above does not mean that someone is not competent.
In my many years involved in H&S I have met people with far higher levels of accreditation from the above mentioned who I would happily take/seek advice from, but then I have also met people who have no IOSH, NEBOSH or BSC accreditation who again I would happily take/seek advice from.
Puts on hard hat and ducks in case this develops into the whole full blow define competence debate.
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If I recall back in the 1990s, this qualification achieved the same level of IOSH Membership (Associate) as the then NEBOSH Certificate even though this was established as an alternative to the NEBOSH Diploma.
It is probably worth noting that even my NEBOSH Diploma that I passed in 1995 is unlikely to be fully accredited for Chartered Membership if I were to apply now.
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You can attain Technician member status with NGCL3.
I've met many a H&S practitioner with CMIOSH, or a degree who operationally inept but i've worked in a department where all but one of its incumbents was Tech(IOSH) and they were all superb pratitioners, mainly due to the fact that they all came from an operational and indeed 'manul' background and understood the inticacies of actually working rather than studying
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Thanks for all the replies, I personaly think he could do with refreshing as on his sites I found some serious breaches that he should have recognised -I.E Fire stairs framework badly broken where hand rail could collapse, too many others to mention
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Stedman's right....and into the following decade.
The old BSM Diploma ranked at the old Level 3.
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Actually the BSC DipSM is accredited at level 5 not Level 3 I took mine in 2000 since then I have studied for my Nebosh Diploma it was run as an alternative to Nebosh. BSC now offer NEbosh as well as their own Level 6 diploma
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It is only since 2004/5 onwards that BSC has been offering its Diploma that has been accredited ( at that time by QCA)and simultaneulsly recognised by IOSH for GradIOSH.
I was with BSC from 1998 to 2004 (and was on the BSC Qualifications Quality Assurance Committee from 2005 to 2008).
Huge efforts were made to "upgrade" the BSC Diploma qualifiications ever since Sir Neville Purvis and his sucessiors took over as Director General of BSC after the passing away of James Tye, as it was fairly clear that given a choice, and acceptance, the significant majority of BSC diploma qualified holders preference was for IOSH Corporate membership. Although the accreditation for BSC came in 2004/5, ever since BSC was certified to ISO 9000 in late 1990's/early 2000, the qualifications processes & procedures were significantly improved, including content and training delivery. Obviously, with a now level 6 equivalent award, it could no longer continue the multiple choice exam (which was not all that easy/simple!) and that was discontinued with the "new" qualification.
Pls remember that there has been so many changes regarding "levels" etc in the National Qualifications and Credit Framework., but the key factor is that the QCA Acredited Diploma (also IOSH recognised) would have the QCA logo or similar on it.
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My recollection is that the old BSC DipSM could only get its holder "Affliate" IOSH membership--which anyone could get.
The rationale for it appeared to be that BSC had never submitted its old DipSM formally to IOSH for recognition/accreditation at higher levels of IOSH membership as it did not want it to be of lesser "value" than the competing NEBOSH Dilpma. Of course all that changed since 2004/5 and now BSC offers both qualifications!
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Clark34486 wrote:You can attain Technician member status with NGCL3.
I've met many a H&S practitioner with CMIOSH, or a degree who operationally inept but i've worked in a department where all but one of its incumbents was Tech(IOSH) and they were all superb pratitioners, mainly due to the fact that they all came from an operational and indeed 'manul' background and understood the inticacies of actually working rather than studying
In any profession, one may find a few so called "inept" people, but that need not mean that the majority of CMIOSH are "inept" .
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Having now being involved with safety for 20+yrs, the cynic in me would say that the constant alteration of qualification/training courses etc by IOSH for certain membership grades is just a money generating exercise.
Afterall if you haven't attended the latest version of a particular training course developed by IOSH - then you can't be competent - can you.
The bottom line is IOSH over the years have simply 'captured' the market in providing training course and gained the so called reputation in providing such courses.
As we all know ultimately if training and competence is an issue only a Court can give a final judgment on the quality of someones qualifications and decisions with respect to safety.
The BSC qualifications may be entirely satisfactory - who are we to say. Just beciase someone can answer an essay type question doesn't make them 'better' than anybody else.
An exam 'pass' shows you could write an acceptable answer to a question on a given day - nothing else.
There are lots of safety people in the nuclear sector and oil & gas industry who do not have IOSH qualifications who make far more significant safety decisions everyday - but they have the science/engineering qualifications to do so.
IOSH don't teach safety principles relevant to these industries - the IOSH Oil & Gas course is a bit of a joke.
There are more ways to skin a 'h&s cat' than IOSH qualifcations.
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Ian, you appear to be mixing up between IOSH & NEBOSH. Unlike the formative years, NEBOSH is now totally independent of IOSH.
We are not discussing IOSH "Courses", but "Qualifications" that were awarded by BSC ( and a comparison with NEBOSH). I very much doubt that anyone completing IOSH Managing and Leading Safely Training would deem that as "Practitioner" level qualification.
The Level 6 Diploma "Qualifications" currently offered by BSC and NEBOSH are based on a ""National Qualifications Framework" that have accreditation from the National "Regulator" which in turn meets the required criteria ( National Occupational Standards) . We have come a very long way in context of Occupational Health & Safety Practitioner Qualifications and as such, any other existing or new awarding body can apply to compete with NEBOSH or BSC. The reason there is no or very little competition is that a significant investment in resources is required to be eligible to be an awarding body. It is not only exams and specification, but also includes the governance & quality control of course providers.
One can have a discussion on the merits or otherwise of a multiple choice exam format.
I agree that in some of the high hazard sectors, such as nuclear, offshore oil & Gas , COMAH (Chemicals) , it is the basic qualification that provides underlying technical knowledge, but that does not mean that additional H & S Practitioner Qualification will not provide the extra bits, if one wishes to have it.
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Ian
I think the discussion was a bit deviated.. as someone looking for qualification clarification rather than whether that qualification or other qualifications has some weight in real world.e.g Oil and Gas
In overall, high hazard industry looking for people with more operational background rather than just qualifications.. and it make sense in someway..
SHV
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