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Can anyone help with a little advice?
Our type 2 asbestos survey has come back identifying ACMs under office carpets - its all well hidden/encapulated/sealed etc. However, I know there is a duty to label the area appropriately.....this is my dilemma - how to do this correctly. Any ideas? Surely, I don't need to put ACM labels on each wall of each room? And it seems pointless to label on/near the skirting boards either......So do I label? And if so, where or how?
(PS we have adequate maintenance regimes in place so that any planned works or foreseen emergencies can be managed in the right way too).
Thanks in advance
Pete
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Hi,
I may be wrong but, I don't think there is a specific requirement to label asbestos, just a requirement to make sure people are aware of it through suitable information, supervision etc.
If the ACM is hidden under carpets and your maintenance / permit systems, etc. are robust than that should suffice. It you still wish the belt and braces approach however I would affix labels at each corner, under the carpet if possible.
If the carpet is to be removed then it is likely that this removal will start at a corner. If you can get suitable labels to stick, then these could be seen when pulling up the carpet...?
Hope that helps,
Ian
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This is the second day in a row were somebody has referred to an asbestos survey as a; Type 2-3 etc.etc.
Little bit worrying, HSG264 has been around for some time inc. a 2nd edition (2012) also CAR (2012)
Asbestos surveys Types 1-3 no longer exist
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Not a biggie really is it?
Are Type 2's and management surveys that much different or is it just the terminology that has changed to remove the useless type 1's.
Regards,
Ian
P.S. If I had a type 2/3 done prior to 2012 surely it still exists if reviewed and managed correctly...or should I rename it ;-)
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Phillips20760 wrote:Not a biggie really is it?
Are Type 2's and management surveys that much different or is it just the terminology that has changed to remove the useless type 1's.
Regards,
Ian
P.S. If I had a type 2/3 done prior to 2012 surely it still exists if reviewed and managed correctly...or should I rename it ;-) you should rename it because HSG264 came into force in 2010 ;-)
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Beat me to the typo.
I'll get my tippex out.
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Phillips20760 wrote:Beat me to the typo.
I'll get my tippex out. it's a huge biggie, HSG264 and it's surveys are vastly differing in requirements for surveyors, CAR 2012 requires a far more stoic approach to the management of asbestos in our 'control'.
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I agree that using 'type 2' as terminology is wrong. HSG264 has been with us since January 2010. There is no duty to label. There is, however, a duty to manage. You can do a few things here...
1) Label to your hearts content. Labelling does not alter the material (or priority) risk assessment. Labels can be intrusive, unsightly, etc. if you are worrying about decor.
2) Label each wall.
3) Label each room.
4) Use discreet labelling, e.g. a coloured disc. As long as the labelling method correlates with the management plan.
5) Labelling the skirting board is not pointless. It's the nearest thing to the ACM. If the maintenance regime is so robust this can only be good thing. If it was pipe insulation that was boxed in you would want to label the external face of the boxing in not the concealed lagging, wouldn't you? There is nothing wrong with getting bespoke labels made or annotating them yourself to inform people what/ where the ACM actually is.
6) Use the plans, drawings and layouts which either informed the survey or were generated from it to 'advertise' the locations of ACMs to all building users. Lamninated copies can be posted. Hard copies can (and should) be issued when commissioning work in said areas.
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I agree (as others have said) that labelling is not a legal requirement however I have to say that I am beginning to get a bit confused about the validity of the old Type 1/2/3 surveys. Is it strictly necessary to resurvey properties that currently continue to rely on the older Type 1 or Type 2 surveys for management purposes?
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Hi Everyone....thanks for your replies and I take the point about naming conventions.....
Whilst CAR 12 came out earlier this year, and HSG264 two years ago, I don't believe that there is any requirement for any survey to be redone, just that ACMs need to be managed appropriately.
Thanks once again for the superb comments. Shows that this forum is still really useful.
Cheers
Pete
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In answering the last two posts my take is that, no, the survey does not need to be 're-done' but only reviewed and revised accordingly. The validity of a survey is only as good as the review and revision. The most any area/ room/ location/ building/ property should be re-inspected is 12 months. The last re-inspection should be recorded. The asbestos management plan (e.g. register) should reflect this. Therefore it is no great stretch to place an addendum onto the survey report...provided it is accurate and complies with HSG264 and CAR2012. Easy. A lot of people still believe you survey once and then walk away. It is not like that at all. Moving from 'type 2' to 'management' was seamless for me (and my Client).
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It's the 'management' of asbestos that is all important and nearly ALWAYS missing, I now make sure that my sites 'appoint' a person to carry out;
1. Monthly inspections of areas that are known to have ACM's, looking at damage, etc.
2. Ensure that the survey and management rules are available at reception and also BEFORE works are carried out (contractors)
3. Train receptionists to ensure that they are aware when escalation is required and that they prompt contractors on arrival, i.e. They are aware of the location of ACM's.
The appointed person is trained; IOSH Managing Safely (I carry out this training for my organisation)
Asbestos Awareness.
Provide them with a basic inspection and spreadsheet for allocation of management review findings
dead easy, but very useful
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