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Cymro  
#1 Posted : 31 July 2012 14:29:27(UTC)
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Cymro

I have just read the Sentencing Remarks in the case of R v Lion Steel Equipment Ltd and it is incredibly complicated due to the fact that the accident occurred only a few weeks after the Act came into force. For anyone that has an interest in this topic, I would pose one question - Given that the judge did NOT give a Remedial Order, NOR a Publicity Order and the company ended up with a fine - WHY did the CPS decide to prosecute for Corporate Manslaughter and not just for a breach of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974? Answers in a Master's dissertation please .......................
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 31 July 2012 15:01:51(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Well Corporate Manslaughter is regarded as a more serious offence than a breach of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. The Sentencing Councils recommends that the starting fine for a breach of Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 that causes loss of life be £100 000, while for a conviction for Corporate Manslaughter should be £500 000.
PH2  
#3 Posted : 31 July 2012 15:26:28(UTC)
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PH2

And the judge also said that he had to strike a balance between punishing the company and endangering the jobs of 142 employees. Their average profits for the previous 3 years ranged between £370k and £180k, so a fine of £480k, I think, is not unsubstantial. Added to that will be a major Civils claim, more legal fees and increased insurance premiums. I suspect that the company will be more vigilant regarding health and safety in the future. PH2
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 31 July 2012 17:54:38(UTC)
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Canopener

One would assume that this was because they felt that the breach met the criteria for a charge under CMCHA and that it was in the public interest. Are you suggesting that the decision was wrong on the basis of them not getting a Publicity Order?!!!! The poor old CPS can't win, there have been any number of criticisms on here for them not taking more cases for CMCH case to court. The CPS don't have a crystal ball and don't directly control the judge or the sentencing. I've never been too convinced of whether there is any significant value in a Publicity Order, there is generally more than enough reporting and publicity of such cases when they happen. I imagine it will have been a deeply distracting and 'painful' experience for the company, and I would be reasonably confident that they are taking a good hard look at themselves and their operation. The fine appears to be about right given the finances of the company. Judges do generally bear in mind whether the size of the fine would endanger the jobs of the employees, unless of course the judge feels that the failings were so bad that the employees were at too great a risk of similar happening again. Some might argue that that is something of a moot point!
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 31 July 2012 18:39:46(UTC)
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RayRapp

The Lion Steel case is a bit of an oddity all round. First, it was (wrongly) presumed that a prosecution for CM would not proceed until a fatality occurred for at least a year after the Act came into force. Originally three directors were prosecuted for common law gross negligent manslaughter, following an acquittal of one of them, a deal was brokered with the CPS to drop the remaining charges and to continue with a prosecution for CM. The publicity and remedial orders should be sought by the prosecution after consultation with the regulator. However, the remedial order is not likely to be pursued because in the time taken to reach court it is most likely that remedial measures have already been implemented. I cannot say for sure why a publicity order was not imposed, but my best guess is that it would have made little impact on a relatively small organisation such as Lion Steel. Finally, I suspect one of the main reasons in prosecuting Lion Steel for CM, as opposed for HSAW offences, is that there is a degree of tactics involved with the CMA. Being a relatively new and untried Act the CPS are being selective in who they prosecute, or so it appears. The various tests in the Act required to gain a conviction is much easier to with a SME, hence the CPS are likely to up the ante in the future for a conviction of much larger organisation.
Cymro  
#6 Posted : 01 August 2012 13:49:20(UTC)
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Cymro

Ray - yes I agree. Anything the courts can do to help simplify this complicated Act is to be welcomed. 3 prosecutions in 4 years though - still a far cry from the 12 per year originally anticipated. Also - does this case demonstate that Corporate Manslaughter will lead to LESS individual responsibility (the Gross Negligence cases against the 3 directors were dropped......... now that the 'directing mind' principle has disappeared)
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 01 August 2012 15:48:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I don’t think the act is complicated: it might be a bit vague but then it is not dealing with absolutes. This issue is not like speeding; I don’t see how a law could be passed that would catch people ‘bang to rights’. The reason the act was brought in was to make prosecutions easier. It is much simpler to prove that an organisation’s actions or inactions ‘Amounts to a gross breach of a relevant duty of care owed by the organisation to the deceased; — and the way in which its activities are managed or organised by its senior management is a substantial element in the breach’, than to prove that a controlling mind was culpable. The option of prosecuting individuals still exists but for that to occur there has to be enough evidence, which can be tricky. There have never been that many manslaughter cases relating to H&S matters, a couple of dozen, since time began. I think once this law has settled in it will be effective. Remember the point of this law is not to catch people to encourage managers and organisations to take their responsibilities more seriously. The test will not be the number of prosecutions but the number of lives saved. Reading some of the responses to this question I sometimes get the impression that what some people would like it if whenever someone dies at work the whole management gets the chop. Is that what we want?
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 01 August 2012 20:18:38(UTC)
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Canopener

I am similarly not convinced that the Act is complicated either. The basic principle which has been summed up above has always seemed to me to be rather straightforward. I would hazard a guess that it will ultimately be a more effective 'tool' that the common law version of the same. I don't think that CMCHA will necessarily lead to less individual responsibility, some might argue quite the reverse. Time will tell!
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 02 August 2012 09:38:11(UTC)
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RayRapp

The fact is we do not really know how complex the Act will be until it is fully tested with a prosecution against a large organisation, although some lawyers have described the Act as a 'lawyers charter'. Thus far the three prosecutions have not been any real test for the CMA. The difficulty will come where an organisation has many tiers of management; the senior management test will undoubtedly become embroiled with arguments about who is and who is not a senior manager. In effect, the senior management test is an 'aggregated' mens rea test, which was the nemesis of the common law CM. Then there is the 'factors for the jury' to consider. I suspect section 8(2) is likely to be the most contentious, although it could turn out to be a fait accompli because by definition a fatality must surely involve a breach of health and safety legislation. The difficulty for the jury will also include considering 'the extent to which the evidence shows that there were attitudes, policies, systems or accepted practices within the organisation that were likely to have encouraged any such failure as is mentioned in subsection (2), or to have produced tolerance of it'. In effect, the jury will be asked to consider the safety culture of the organisation in relation to the breach - watch this space!
TonyCSS  
#10 Posted : 09 August 2012 11:59:31(UTC)
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TonyCSS

I think there is a further issue here. The offences aside, it appears that the CPS "plea bargained" the guilty plea under CMCHA in return for offering no evidence in the remaining counts against the directors. The effect might have been to remedy the case quickly but it also means that the management team that "organised or managed" the activity and permitted the "gross breach of a relevant duty of care" remain in situ, without sanction. Is this really in the public interest? While the judge criticised the CPS/Enforcing Agency view of the extent of directors responsibilities, he clearly thought there was at least one case to answer on neglect under s37 HSWA. By bargaining away the case the CPS prevent the courts from deciding. We do not want to see management teams chopped out as a result of these types of incidents but accountability is a foundation of most management systems. Perhaps the CPS were worried that an even larger proportion of their bill would go unpaid!
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