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If an Asbestos Refurbishment Survey has found no ACM's within the building, do i still need to produce an Asbestos Register for visiting contractors.
My thoughts were to just provide a statement on letterheaded note paper refering back to the survey.
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How long would it take to produce an Asbestos register stating details of who and when the survey was carried out by? It is a simple one off job giving details showing how thourgh the action you have taken providing assurance to the contractor and should also be usefull in any claim management situation you may find yourself. So compile a short register stating no ACMs present and provide a copy to any contractor you may use in the future.
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That is a BIG IF - Even the Demolition Refurbishment survey is NOT a guarantee that all ACMs have been identified or will prove non presence. Demolition of the structure would ultimately prove, or not, that no ACMs can be identified. A post 2000 building according to HSE can be regarded as asbestos free but then no survey is needed only evidence of construction date.
The best you can say is that NO ACMs have been IDENTIFIED and provide a full copy of the report. A D&R survey will also need to be done if any works are undertaken in any area that has not been intrusively surveyed. Asbestos training requirements would also be still a requirement for all operatives.
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ctd167 wrote:If an Asbestos Refurbishment Survey has found no ACM's within the building, do i still need to produce an Asbestos Register for visiting contractors.
My thoughts were to just provide a statement on letterheaded note paper refering back to the survey.
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Oops! I meant to add that the approach suggested by the OP is fine by me. Reg 4 duty is discharged.
Curious though that there was no management survey done beforehand?
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Our assests were surveyed and we received all our informationn in pdf format which is handy.
We email it to all contractors when theynare doing work, as part of our pre tender documents.
Tony
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What ctd167 is suggesting is exactly what the others posted, but in keeping with H&S they felt the need to increase the workload and include some unnecessary bureaucracy.
Why would you not just show the survey report to the competent contractors?
What value would the development of a register add? Will you be undertaking regular reviews to ensure that the asbestos that isn't there hasn't deteriorated, that someone hasn't "stuck" some ACM somewhere......
Time is money.
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Thanks for your input guys, thought provicking as usual.
I've included the survey report in to the contractors induction process, along with a covering letter stating that in the area's marked on the floor plan of the building, no ACM's were identified and that should the contractors be required to work in other area's of the building, further investigation would be required.
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Careful there, ctd! You initially said you had a demo. survey with no acms "within the building", now you're saying that only applies to a part of the building?
If there are gaps in your ACM info, has a management survey been completed (enabling compliance with regulation 4 duty holder requirements) for the entire premises?
Asbestos Risk Registers will usually carry a caveat confirming the limitations and extent of knowledge about ACMs beyond immediately accessible areas and surfaces.
We often run-off a mini-report for specific jobs and give that to the contractor.
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CT need to go back to basics.
An asbestos register is only required where ACM's are known and identified. This will normally then form part of your asbestos management plan and risk assessments based on published algorithms.
The question is really about what type of survey you commissioned, If it was non-intrusive then you cannot know if ACM's are present in wall cavities, ceiling or floor voids etc.
We have a refurb project underway in a building with ACM's, we had a Type 2 survey conducted, but like many it had exclusions, so we wrote a clause into the tender docs that the Contractor had to assure themselves of the presence or absence of ACM's in the proposed work area.
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jontyjohnston wrote:CT need to go back to basics.
An asbestos register is only required where ACM's are known and identified. This will normally then form part of your asbestos management plan and risk assessments based on published algorithms.
The question is really about what type of survey you commissioned, If it was non-intrusive then you cannot know if ACM's are present in wall cavities, ceiling or floor voids etc.
We have a refurb project underway in a building with ACM's, we had a Type 2 survey conducted, but like many it had exclusions, so we wrote a clause into the tender docs that the Contractor had to assure themselves of the presence or absence of ACM's in the proposed work area. Jonty I am afraid this is at odds with HSE websites advice on the production of an asbestos register. They reccommend that when producing a register, areas that have not been surveyed and may contain or be presumed to contain ACM`s be included in the register until proved otherwise. Regards
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Didn't the asbestos surveyor provide the asbestos register?
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jontyjohnston wrote:CT need to go back to basics.
An asbestos register is only required where ACM's are known and identified. This will normally then form part of your asbestos management plan and risk assessments based on published algorithms.
The question is really about what type of survey you commissioned, If it was non-intrusive then you cannot know if ACM's are present in wall cavities, ceiling or floor voids etc.
We have a refurb project underway in a building with ACM's, we had a Type 2 survey conducted, but like many it had exclusions, so we wrote a clause into the tender docs that the Contractor had to assure themselves of the presence or absence of ACM's in the proposed work area. Jonty A type 2 for a refurbishment!!! I think you are mis-speaking if not you are admitting a breach if this project is/was post 2007. Bob
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Interesting comment Bob. Would you allow use of a Type 2 survey for refurb/demolition works.
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Definitely, absolutely NOT
Bob
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