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Is it acceptable for a banksman / signaller to hand the load which is being lifted or lowered into position during crane operations. If there clear guidance in what is recognised as safe practice?
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I understand the Banksman has to stand at least 5m -10m behind and 1m away from the vehicle, and if for any reason the operator cannot see the Banksman the operation should stop, which would make it impossible for the Banksman to assist in the unloading.
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As a rule a minimum lift team should consist of a minimum of 3 people:
Lift supervisor/banksman
Crane operator
Slinger/rigger
So banksman should not be slinging/handling the load at the same time.
The above comments seem to be referring to reversing a vehicle rather than banking a crane. The banksman does not have to stay in sight of the crane operator, he can give commands over the radio. He does, however have to maintain full sight of the load (unless its going subsea) and must be the sole signaller.
Hope this helps, you should have something in your companies lifting procedure to the same effect if you work offshore
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There is no rule about the location of the signaller BUT he has to be able to see the point where the laod is lifted, the traverse route and the placing down point. If this is not possible then further Signaller(s) are required with clear handover procedures from one to the other.
If using signallers to reverse vehicles then the big debate about front and rear located signaller, or using multiple signallers, commences. Responsibility also is different between the two situations - in this latter situation the driver is there to follow the orders of the signaller precisely and should not take decisions on directions. A crane operation has residual duties on the driver as he has additional warning within the cab and can be aware of matters that the signaller has no knowledge of.
Given this there is no reason why the signaller cannot also sling and signal or hand the load if it is assessed and is sufficiently non complex. That is the job of the lifting co ordinator.
Bob
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Seabee81 wrote:As a rule a minimum lift team should consist of a minimum of 3 people:
Lift supervisor/banksman
Crane operator
Slinger/rigger
So banksman should not be slinging/handling the load at the same time.
The above comments seem to be referring to reversing a vehicle rather than banking a crane. The banksman does not have to stay in sight of the crane operator, he can give commands over the radio. He does, however have to maintain full sight of the load (unless its going subsea) and must be the sole signaller.
Hope this helps, you should have something in your companies lifting procedure to the same effect if you work offshore No surprise here, but agree with Seabee :-)
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Our Banksmen also do the load slinging as they prefer it that way. They KNOW then it has been done safely.
If they find a load has been ready slung when they arrive at a site , they will check the slinging is suitable anyway.
And change it if they feel it necessary!
Our men are trained (on the same course at the same time) to sling AND signal.
I instruct our men that they are responsible for the safe operation, including slinging, from beginning to end. Including checking crane certification, operator competency, crane siting and ground conditions.
If they say an operation has to stop or be changed, I back them 100%.
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Lets answer the question first nothing to say this cannot happen,it does on thousands of occasions daily throughout the UK.
Bobs method is correct.
Lets be practical if the Slinger can see the crane op then carry on ,if he can't radio or other man needed.
It is common practice even by the UKCG for lifting operations to take place like this.
Regards Alex
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