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jsmca  
#1 Posted : 31 August 2012 12:07:18(UTC)
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jsmca

Hello all. Friday afternoon and I'm now brain dead. I have a country house hotel with external steps into the garden. 6 steps with a stone rail / edging of approx 500mm. We had an accident where a customer fell down steps and broke her shoulder. I say handrail but others say not. What your views on this please and is it a legal requirement or not. Thanks Jim
peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 31 August 2012 12:46:26(UTC)
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peter gotch

Jim

How old is the building?

Is it listed?

Is the 500mm the height or the width?
PH2  
#3 Posted : 31 August 2012 12:51:09(UTC)
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PH2

Hi,
in my opinion there should be a handrails. The Building Regulations (Section K1: 1.27) states that flights and landings should be guarded at the sides where there is a drop of 600mm. I think this would be applicable here.

PH2
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2012 13:12:27(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

You may wish to consider the recent K£350 fine handed-out to Merlin Attractions Ltd, the operators of Warwick Castle (SHP Magazine June 2012 "At Court" Section).
Slightly different circumstance, and a fatality, but there is a parallel there I think.
You could off course consider prohibiting access/egress at that point.
Bob Shillabeer  
#5 Posted : 31 August 2012 13:49:33(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

One thing that needs to taken into account is how did this person fall? Was it down the steps or off the steps, quite different accidents. How old was the person in question and was he/she suffering from a mobility impairment. So just let the fact that an accident occurred pass by. What exactly is the risk of an average reasonably fit person from falling, that's the start point you should use, then ask yourself what is the level of risk that someone with an physical difficulty would face? How often are these steps used and is it possible that you can prevent them being used? To simply ask for a solution on this forum is quite frankly a none starter, if you can't do it yourself why not ask a properly competent person to do it for you.
Jake  
#6 Posted : 31 August 2012 13:59:57(UTC)
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Jake

Bob Shillabeer wrote:
To simply ask for a solution on this forum is quite frankly a none starter, if you can't do it yourself why not ask a properly competent person to do it for you.


But isn't this what the forums are for?

I don't think there's enough infomration given by the OP, but I know that we have similar sized flights of steps and we do have hand rails. I can't see a reason why you would not have them (but then again there may be a historical / listed building reasons that I'm not aware of).
holmezy  
#7 Posted : 31 August 2012 21:34:08(UTC)
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holmezy

Hi All,

its alright quoting building regs,,,, but they're not retrospective? The reasons why the person fell are far more relevant? Is it a common occurence?

Holmezy
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