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I've landed a job in manufacturing -advice sought please
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Hi
I've landed a job with a national company that has various operations going on and various sites, one of which is a small manufacturing plant which is 10 minutes away from where I live.
I've applied for manufacturing jobs before and have been knocked back because I don't have experience in manufacturing, which has always annoyed me because I don't think there is anything much different that needs to be considered from an H&S point of view. A hazard is a hazard right, and if you cant spot it then H&S isn't for you right?
You have your input, the process itself and then an output and no doubt each piece of machinery along the way before a final product is produced with have its own hazards and risks; its own risk assessment; SSOW etc, so what's the big deal?
So, is there anything specific I need to consider when working, in a SHEQ capacity at a small manufacturing plant (sheet metal products to be precise).
Thanks in advance for any answers.
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Congratulations on the great-sounding job.
I'd say the special feature of manufacturing is the pressure and the number of different departments involved when things go wrong, which they often do. With the obvious temptation to (a) panic (b) take short-cuts and (c) assign blame.
Don't forget maintenance - this is an essential part of manufacturing and can be both higher risk, and harder to assess, than operations.
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Hi Al
You may find HSG129 Engineering in Workshops a useful document to help you prioritise your workload? Don't forget to use the further reading pages at the back to point you in the direction of other guidance.
EEF are a good organisation, if you need outside support?
You will find challenges in culture and may make improvements by finding employees who are genuinely keen on health and safety (and also quality and environment) to help you. Open, honest and clear communication is key.
Good luck and enjoy!!
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I was given the opportunity to move into heavy engineering and manufacturing recently, i have a construction background.
The safety advisor skills are easily transferrable if you know the basics. You dont have to know what everything does, just know how it works and protection from these hazards is quite a simple process. You may find that your external experiences will be more than beneficial to the company as fresh eyes and a fresh approach may be just what they need.
Well this is what i found anyway.
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In my experience, having worked in a range of manufacturing environments, one thorn in the side has always remained....the engineering / maintenance department!
Slippery as a bar of soap in the bath. These guys have done it all and know better that you...apparently!
This may not be the case with your new company, but be prepared :)
Well done on the new job!
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Quote "I've applied for manufacturing jobs before and have been knocked back because I don't have experience in manufacturing, which has always annoyed me because I don't think there is anything much different that needs to be considered from an H&S point of view. A hazard is a hazard right, and if you cant spot it then H&S isn't for you right?"
A hazard is a hazard right enough - if you know where to look for it that i.
And yes - you dont need to know everything, but a lot of employers want someone with a bit of savvy about the operations and what can go wrong before they do go wrong!.
And as Guru said - the maintenance department will rip the pants off you if they can get away with it - then any respect for you and your position goes out the window.
But thats life - so try and learn the process quickly - good luck.
David
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Manufacturing is manufacturing and the hazards are the same? Er... not quite. My work with chemical hazards has taken me across a wide range of different manufacturing sectors. Many have chemical hazards unique to them and not always easy to spot. Just consider pharmaceuticals, compared with motor vehicle manufacturing, electronics, food processing equipment, chemical production, etc., etc. And, of course, as has already been stated, the maintenance department in each. All will have their own special chemicals and uses. So approach this with caution until you are conversant with what you are dealing with..
Chris
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I work in manufacturing, the biggest nightmare are the maintenance dept, not using LOTO, taking short cuts
to do a job, I would start by reviewing all the RA's, and doing PUWER assessments to check that all the guarding, lightbeams and interlocks are adequate.
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I've been in mechanical engineering manufacturing for 17 years now and yes, some of the items are interchangeable. The only thing about manufacturing is that there are generally a lot of different disciplines involved such as welding, painting, shot blasting, thermal spraying, manual machines, CNC machines, etc. The only thing to remember is that there is a forum here with lots of very experienced folks in this type of business - if you are not sure, just ask! That's what we're here for :D
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Why not engage in dialog with the engineering maintenance departments. After all, they will know their jobs better than you.
Do a job analysis n partnership with them, it you see something that you think is a bit naughty, ask why it's done like that and point out a safe alternative.
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I work in a manufacturing company and I had no experience in manufacturing or the processes whatsoever - I was very lucky. To be honest not havng prior knowledge helped a great deal as I did not have any preconceptions as to what is good or bad practice. I absolutely agree with the suggestion to engage in dialogue with the maintenance departments. They have a great deal of knowledge and experience but "forget" that H&S applies to them just as much as the guys working on CNC machines. When I first started in the role, they were using MEWPs on a regular basis and had no pre-use checks in place. I worked with them, created a pre-use check and a requirement for it to be signed off by a supervisor. It took quite a while to get them to actually complete the checks and accept the reasons for doing it, but they are as good as gold now. Communication with all departments is essential. Best of luck in your new role.
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A substantial reversal in policy since, but when I joined HSE it was clear policy to not let you near the industry that you had worked in until alll those preconceptions to which David refers had been expelled.
New process - please show me, and explain the risks and how you control them.
Only once - Somewhat arrogant MD "don't suppose you've seen a tube bending machine before"
"I'm probably the only front line inspector who has operated a tube bending machine. Oh, and I see that you've got a Cincinatti CNC tube-bending machine in the corner. The last one of those I saw I put a prohibition notice on".
MD as good as gold after that. Didn't tell him that I had only ever seen one CNC tube bender before, nor why I served the Notice.
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Reply might be a bit late Big Al but my first full time safety job was in manufacturing, I came from the power industry before that.
Only one suggestion for you, involve the "experts", the people who know how the plant operates. Once you have them helping you with the risk assessment process (you being competent in the methodology and they being competent regards the various processes) you will have cracked it plus you will learn a lot about manufacturing.
Congrats on getting the job - well done.
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if you need any support just contact me
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Something I learnt very early on in manufacturing is that if you implement something somewhere always have an eye on how it may effect activity up or down the process chain.....talk to the people all the time - but equally dont let age and experience always blind you as there can be some pretty shocking custom and practice. Start with basic safety principles that you have learnt along the way - and if in doubt ask - becuase bluffing will never work.
Well done on your new job - so great to hear of a success for a change
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Also you could ask for the company do they have a copy of PD5304 'Guidence on the safe use of machinery' It will help you look at the guarding issues etc.
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what sort of manufacturing? I worked for a printing company and i was up to my neck in COSHH Assessments...as mentioned before, review all RAMS and go through them with experienced operators incase you miss something
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well done getting the job there are very scarce just know
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congrats on getting the job, yes hazards are hazards, risks are risks, I have found the focus of those around me is different. Pressure to keep lines running, reluctance to introduce change in case it affects production. And a very long chain if you feel there is the need to change something in the product on safety grounds (RoHS or REACH) as the request may need to go through five different parts of the business and then out for exteral evaluation.
Resource is also often a problem as most places run to a principle called LEAN these days meaning people tend to be thin on the ground, loaded with work and often with more than one role.
Good luck witha steep learning curve I am sure you will be ok.
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