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Eddy  
#1 Posted : 06 September 2012 10:47:28(UTC)
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Eddy

Folks

Does anyone have a simple COSHH assessment record that they could share. I know
there are 1000's of different types that you can use when you google them, however they
all seem complicated and you seem to be copying whats on MSDS.

eddie@bpmckeefry.com
eD
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 06 September 2012 10:57:21(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I am slightly concerned by the statement ‘you seem to be copying what is on an MSDS’. You do not carry out a COSHH assessment on a substance, like any risk assessment you carry it out on a process or procedure. The MSDS is a source of information, but the key is looking at the hazards (which is what the MSDS tells you) and then applying what you do to a process/procedure. That’s when you actually assess the risk from the process.
Lawlee45239  
#3 Posted : 06 September 2012 10:59:34(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

you got mail
Rob M  
#4 Posted : 06 September 2012 11:21:59(UTC)
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Rob M

i am also confused, please expand on this
roshqse  
#5 Posted : 06 September 2012 11:24:18(UTC)
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roshqse

This is an area that causes lots of confusion and different interpretations I find.

What I do is look at the substance first, then the intended use of that substance. Be it welding, leak repairs, painting etc.

Then I break it down to the hazards, human health risks, environmental risks.
Then list control measures for each area below, handling, isolation, PPE etc...
then followed by emergency procedures for each area and any specifics such as PPE.

Then staple it to the MSDS!
KAJ Safe  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2012 14:12:48(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

It is something that people get bogged down with.
Don't do what we once did. We use to pay a small fortune to a 3rd party company who provided software which transferred the msds info onto an internal document and it was suppose to be an assessment (we had to input it). All it did was transfer the basic info for easier understanding.

The way it is to be used can be as important as the substance itself.

ROSHQSE's advice in the previous post is how we now look at it.
Lawlee45239  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2012 14:46:35(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

SWBQ  
#8 Posted : 06 September 2012 16:15:14(UTC)
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SWBQ

The essentials site looks good but whenever I try to use it I get stuck at the point when it asks about boiling point and vapour pressure as my safety data sheets (which are current) don't have this info on them and I can't seem to bypass this page on the essentials site. Does anyone know how to do this or what I am doing wrong?

Thanks,
chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2012 17:33:19(UTC)
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chris.packham

Oh dear! We are back to that old chesnut of risk assessment based on the safety data sheet. Please, no!
The safety data sheet is not designed for risk assessment but to meet the requirements of CHIP/REACH/CLP. It only lists those substances that are in the product as supplied and then only if they meet two basic criteria, i.e. they have a risk phrase/hazard statement and they are in the product above a certain concentration. Just read regulation 2(1) of COSHH and paragraph 13 of the COSHH ACoP and you will see that this is not adequate.
Presumably most employers purchase chemicals to use them. In the process they frequently change the nature of the chemical (mix, react, contaminate, heat, oxidise, dilute, etc., etc.) and this can change the nature of the hazard. So a risk assessment, particularly for skin exposure (which is also covered by COSHH), has to be based on the hazard of the chemical as used. This can be very different from what is on the safety data sheet (or sheets where two or more chemicals are mixed). There are also thousands of chemicals that have never been assigned a risk phrase/hazard statement but that, in contact with the skin, can cause occupational skin disease. I can name you several chemicals that are in common use and are recognised by dermatologists as common sensitisers, but which are neither R43 or H317. Just consider formaldehyde releasers. Not shown as formaldehyde on the safety data sheet (quite correctly) but can produce formaldehyde when used.

I can easily demonstrate using COSHH essentials how it is easy to produce a completely invalid risk assessment. "At present COSHH essentials is not well geared for dermal exposure risk assessment and control." - fromControlling SKin Exposure to Chemicals and Wet Work, by Rajadurai Sithamparanadarajah -Crown Copyright!

So identifying the correct hazard arising out of chemicals used in a particular task has to be the first step in any COSHH risk assessment. If you don't get the hazard right, what chance is there of your getting the risk assessment right?

Chris
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