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Lawlee45239  
#1 Posted : 10 September 2012 11:47:07(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Hi all, I just want to have a little vent before my BP goes too high. I'm getting rather annoyed with Main Contractors and their different requirements. I just got a letter in from one stipulating from Oct they want all our operatives to attend the CSkills H&S Awareness Course = 1 day = £99 per person. We are a SME, and am up to my eyes in training at the moment, on what I would call essential training, and this I do not class as an essential course. We have to do it, or we wont be allowed to work......
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 10 September 2012 12:34:50(UTC)
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RayRapp

Unfortunately it is symptomatic with where we are in industry. Clients and PCs are dictating the training and qualifications required to work on site and if you don't comply, then you don't get the work - it's that simple. Some of the requirements are absolutely OTT in my opinion. If these same organisations really cared about health and safety management they would not always give the contract to the lowest tender but those who are likely to do it properly and safely - but that's another story.
Lawlee45239  
#3 Posted : 10 September 2012 12:38:24(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

RayRapp wrote:
Unfortunately it is symptomatic with where we are in industry. Clients and PCs are dictating the training and qualifications required to work on site and if you don't comply, then you don't get the work - it's that simple. Some of the requirements are absolutely OTT in my opinion. If these same organisations really cared about health and safety management they would not always give the contract to the lowest tender but those who are likely to do it properly and safely - but that's another story.
Very true. But its getting to the annoying stage, as the MD has a gunto his head to get this done, its rather unfair. And yes i understand they want a blanket base line, but lord at least give a decent time scale, rather than this will be enforced from Oct.
roshqse  
#4 Posted : 10 September 2012 15:40:46(UTC)
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roshqse

In our industry (HV electrical) our bugbear is so many different requirements for the same work. We work for all the national electricity companies and they all have various different safety training, PPE and paperwork requirements. What annoys me is that electricity is electricity. It doesn't matter what company supplied it. It will still kill you! AND.... (while I'm on my hobby horse... ) even if a substation changes companies, with exactly the same equipment, there are different rules for safety! We have too many clients dictating to us how to safeguard our staff. Right down to types of safety glasses. I have often found them specifying equipment of a lesser standard than we issue , but they won't accept mine! AAAaarrrghhh!
Lawlee45239  
#5 Posted : 10 September 2012 21:03:27(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

roshqse wrote:
In our industry (HV electrical) our bugbear is so many different requirements for the same work. We work for all the national electricity companies and they all have various different safety training, PPE and paperwork requirements. What annoys me is that electricity is electricity. It doesn't matter what company supplied it. It will still kill you! AND.... (while I'm on my hobby horse... ) even if a substation changes companies, with exactly the same equipment, there are different rules for safety! We have too many clients dictating to us how to safeguard our staff. Right down to types of safety glasses. I have often found them specifying equipment of a lesser standard than we issue , but they won't accept mine! AAAaarrrghhh!
unreal
roshqse  
#6 Posted : 11 September 2012 10:44:08(UTC)
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roshqse

True.. honestly! You wouldn't believe some of the hoops we have to jump through. Can't even provide the same RA for the same task on 2 different sites sometimes. (and yes I know RA are site specific before someone pipes up... I mean regarding the same type of site, same hazards, same work tasks with the same equipment)
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 11 September 2012 10:52:26(UTC)
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RayRapp

Ha, you think you have problems...I'm working on a project with 4 PCs and with all their idiosyncrasies!
walker  
#8 Posted : 11 September 2012 11:01:23(UTC)
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walker

I'd not heard of Cskills but a little google suggests its from our friends at CITB who run the much discredited CSCS scheme (I initially dessribed this in other terms but decided the mods might smack my wrist) which I guess everyone has now seen it for what it is and is no longer filling the coffers. Maybe this is a reheated CSCS ??
David Bannister  
#9 Posted : 11 September 2012 11:59:13(UTC)
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David Bannister

"H&S gone mad" would be a suitable title for this thread. And I wonder how HMG's culling of low-risk inspections and revocation of out of date Regs will address this nonsense. Perhaps a scrappage of all H&S accreditation schemes would make a bit more sense and then employers may have to rely on competent safety advice, not box-tickers.
roshqse  
#10 Posted : 11 September 2012 12:10:30(UTC)
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roshqse

"Perhaps a scrappage of all H&S accreditation schemes would make a bit more sense" HA! There you go using common sense again..... there's no place for that in the minds of undertrained , inexperienced primary contractors!
Lawlee45239  
#11 Posted : 11 September 2012 14:15:54(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

RayRapp wrote:
Ha, you think you have problems...I'm working on a project with 4 PCs and with all their idiosyncrasies!
oh my god, bless you, my issue now seems minor to have 4 PC's on one project.
CliveLowery  
#12 Posted : 11 September 2012 15:14:44(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Hi Lawlee45239, If the PC you are refering to is the one I am thinking of based in Birmingham, I think you will find it is only for projects starting after the 1st October. The requirement has been in the UKCG charter since at least March of this year, probably before then as well, like most things it takes time for the PC's to implement and I think you will find that the rest of the UKCG will be implementing this as well in the near future. We have the same precdicament as you, our problem is shear numbers as we can have up to 350 LOSC's working for us at any one time. I am currently in the process of putting together a business plan to see if it is viable/economical for us to become registered and run the CSkills range of courses in house. Have to agree with other posters though regarding PC's awarding on price as the prime motivator. Regards Clive
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