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roshqse  
#1 Posted : 11 September 2012 14:52:10(UTC)
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roshqse

Not being terribly familiar with standard practice, I would like advice / opinions on the safe height for storing pallets. We have a tenant who uses our spare yard capacity to store pallets. Which are now 30 high! (About 6 meters). None have ever fallen over, or moved in even the highest winds... it just scares me to see them piling higher and higher! Anyone familiar with best practice in this? Or is there an industry standard practice? Would like to be in an informed position before discussing issues with them.
walker  
#2 Posted : 11 September 2012 14:58:26(UTC)
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walker

Beside the obvious likelihood of them falling, it sounds like a major fire waiting to happen.
roshqse  
#3 Posted : 11 September 2012 15:01:32(UTC)
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roshqse

Oh yes! Don't even go there!! Some are stacked so close to the boundary fence you can reach through and touch them. Or set light to them!
Rob M  
#4 Posted : 11 September 2012 15:07:39(UTC)
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Rob M

ALARP RA Time?
Mr.Flibble  
#5 Posted : 11 September 2012 15:41:53(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Maybe worth giving CHEP a call. They do recommend 30 high, I'm sure it used to be 40 though! http://www.chep.com/Pall...llet-800-x-600-mm-00002/
decimomal  
#6 Posted : 11 September 2012 15:57:46(UTC)
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decimomal

roshqse wrote:
We have a tenant who uses our spare yard capacity to store pallets
Is your insurer aware of this? I would give your broker a call if I were you and put it by them to be sure you are covered.
Rob35  
#7 Posted : 11 September 2012 16:15:48(UTC)
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Rob35

We tend to stack 15 High, the next 15 are bridged across two bottom stacks (Pyramid Style). Gives better stability. Also our insurers state they must be 3m away from buildings due to fire risk.
Jake  
#8 Posted : 11 September 2012 16:34:37(UTC)
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Jake

30 high is common, I believe. We stack ours 30 high and have not had an issues, I know others who do the same. We can get a stack of 15 empty pallets onto a trailer during empty pallet collections, hence why multiples of 15 are used. We would not go any higher than 30. Consider segregation from other MHE activity and security to prevent unauthroised access / arson. Our company policy (dictated by an insurance requirement) is for empty pallet stacks to be at least 6m from the building. Only good condition pallets should be stacked like this and stacks should be checked routinely.
CliveLowery  
#9 Posted : 11 September 2012 22:46:00(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Jake is spot on. You should only put 15 high on a trailer, any higher on a trailer and they make the vehicle too high also they don't fit under "normal" road bridges. While it is OK to stack 30 high, it easier for the MHE operator and is more stable if you bridge them as Rob says.
roshqse  
#10 Posted : 14 September 2012 13:14:43(UTC)
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roshqse

Thanks for everyone's help. Our insurers are aware of this arrangement and have also stated a 3m to building gap. (Although in my experience of fire this isn't enough.) I shall have a chat with them and see where we go from here. But if 30 high is usual then that's good enough for me.
Betta Spenden  
#11 Posted : 16 September 2012 13:01:44(UTC)
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Betta Spenden

roshqse wrote:
But if 30 high is usual then that's good enough for me.
Have a read of HSE PM15. It does not nail it and give the exact answer but I would say that the statement in PM15 about no more than 6 x the base of the loaded pallet is good. Don’t loose sight the fact that the other pallets essentially become “the load” on the base pallet. I make that between 15-18. IMO 30 high is way too much and just asking for trouble, allow a precedence that and some fool will do that outside in high winds. 30 high (even inside) is very, very poor advice, dont go there.....................
Jake  
#12 Posted : 26 September 2012 12:43:53(UTC)
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Jake

Betta Spenden wrote:
Have a read of HSE PM15. It does not nail it and give the exact answer but I would say that the statement in PM15 about no more than 6 x the base of the loaded pallet is good. Don’t loose sight the fact that the other pallets essentially become “the load” on the base pallet.
I don't read the guidance in that way, the characteristics of an empty pallet is somewhat different to a normal "load". I believe the spirit in which the guidance is written is for stock stored on pallets, not for empty pallet stacks.
Betta Spenden wrote:
IMO 30 high is way too much and just asking for trouble, allow a precedence that and some fool will do that outside in high winds.
Can you substantiate? Our policy applies to internal and external stacks. The beauty of empty pallets is that they don't have as large a cross sectional area as say boxed goods, therefore they are not affected by wind uptake as a normal boxed load would be. To put it into perspective, my organisation has 9 Distribution centres throughout the UK, Wales and Scotland. We have been operating (with this policy) for over 15 years. We have never had an incident (even with the high winds in Scotland) of a pallet stack collapsing. Our policies and procedures are risk based, I've spoken to other retailers and we are not alone in adopting this policy, pulling joint figures together we assess the likelihood of an empty pallet stack collapse as very unlikely. Moreover, we don't live in a world of unlimited space, and if our pallet stacks were to be split in 2 this would introduce much more prevalent MHE / pedestrian collision risks.
Betta Spenden wrote:
30 high (even inside) is very, very poor advice, dont go there.....................
Totally disagree.
Clairel  
#13 Posted : 26 September 2012 14:15:29(UTC)
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Clairel

I agree with Jake not Brenda. Comes down to individual circumstances, condition of pallets, how well they're stacked etc. To say outright that 30 is to high is too black and white IMO.
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