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Eddy  
#1 Posted : 11 September 2012 12:16:58(UTC)
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Eddy

Hello All We are a transport company with a large fleet of HGV vehicles. We are interested in introducing alcohol and possibly drug testing of employees throughout the company. We have spoken to the union and they dont have a problem with it, however they want to know how we are going to implement such a policy throughout the company. For example if we sample an employee with i.e. alco sense and it comes out positive were do we take them to get a full reading, will we discipline them, send them home etc etc. Is there anyone out there who has introduced such a policy that could share their procedure or give advice of how they sucessfully implemented such a system. I would really appreciate some feedback. Ed edwarddeighan@yahoo.com
roshqse  
#2 Posted : 11 September 2012 12:35:36(UTC)
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roshqse

I can send you ours if you like. Different industry but may give you some ideas?
Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 11 September 2012 12:39:52(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

You have mail Andy
Eddy  
#4 Posted : 11 September 2012 12:45:09(UTC)
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Eddy

Eddy  
#5 Posted : 12 September 2012 11:35:23(UTC)
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Eddy

thanks
ejb5608  
#6 Posted : 12 September 2012 14:37:09(UTC)
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ejb5608

Hi Eddy I think you would also need to take legal advise because if you test mid way through shifts your drivers have already commited offences, also if they are sleeping in cabs with keys they may well be drunk in charge of a vehicle (although I have often wondered how this works for camper vans?) Also by sending them home you would have to ensure they dont drive.
lisar  
#7 Posted : 12 September 2012 14:55:03(UTC)
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lisar

We have a policy in place. We do random tests and have opted for a drager alco tester as it gets calibrated and therefor holds more weight in an employment tribunal. I wouldnt waste money on a cheap one as you couldnt discipline anyone with something that has no proof of accuracy. At my friends company they dont always go down the route of sacking staff and sometimes offer rehabilitation/help depending on per individual case. My company did dismiss someone recently for blowing over but I dont know the HR ins and outs of this.
johnmurray  
#8 Posted : 13 September 2012 06:06:37(UTC)
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johnmurray

ejb5608 wrote:
Hi Eddy I think you would also need to take legal advise because if you test mid way through shifts your drivers have already commited offences, also if they are sleeping in cabs with keys they may well be drunk in charge of a vehicle (although I have often wondered how this works for camper vans?) Also by sending them home you would have to ensure they dont drive.
To prove drunk in charge the prosecution have to show intent to drive. There is precedent for this.
alan w houghton  
#9 Posted : 13 September 2012 07:49:41(UTC)
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alan w houghton

Eddy I have pm'd you Alan
stevedm  
#10 Posted : 13 September 2012 07:50:19(UTC)
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stevedm

I introduced a policy to one major company and set first action level at the European level and then the UK level. for BAC and the SAMSHA levels for Drugs. The action levels were set for 'Safety Critical Workers' which I defined with HR... The process, very briefly, was if identified the employee would enter into a program with Occupational health which would assist him/her to treat the issue (either drink or drugs). Three stikes or monitoring failures then it was no longer a OH issue it became diciplinary, up to and including dismissal. Training of supervisor and line managers in the recognition is important for this to work. I did not introduce random testing, however we did put in 'for cause' either on line manager/ supervisor observations or post accident/ incident. Should also say that it started with the initial risk assessment. There are pretty good monitors out there now both for roadside drugs and alcohol...however be sure to pay the money out for the right ones... Pre-employment drug and alcohol screening should not be forgotten either in all of this. (During implmentation of this policy was pushed to start someone without it stuck to my guns and guess what he died of a massive overdose 1 week before the test...!!) The legal aspects I will cover later...(need to get on with the day job) it doesn't breach human rights if you do it properly with proper consultation, yes whatever you identify could be evidence for a formal prosecution (One manager advise the police and they sat outside the depot gate - poor managment if you ask me but hey...) Hope some of this helps... Cheers Steve
Martin Mulholland  
#11 Posted : 13 September 2012 12:27:17(UTC)
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Martin Mulholland

Eddy You have a PM! Martin
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