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Steve W1  
#1 Posted : 26 September 2012 10:29:43(UTC)
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Steve W1

The Lofstedt review concluded that the Health and Safety (First aid) Regulation 1981 gives the HSE no lawful authority to approve first aid training providers and intend to deregulate HSE approval. Anyone like to comment how company's will stand with regard to certification and training of first aidders on site. Steve W
saferay  
#2 Posted : 26 September 2012 13:11:55(UTC)
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saferay

First thoughts are, this will mean that employers, not the HSE, will need to satisfy themselves that the trainers are competent and that the cousre content is suitable and sufficient. Question. How many employers are suitably knowledgable to make that judgment? There may well be liability issues for the employer if the course is not up to spec. Intersting times ahead methinks. Adrian
Clairel  
#3 Posted : 26 September 2012 14:12:57(UTC)
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Clairel

I can't see a problem as long as the training organisation is 'competent'. Employers are expected to check the competence of other contractors / training providers etc before using them so why should first aid be any different. It will open up the market place to competition, which is good in my opinion. Cheaper courses means more people trained. It is currently cost prohibitive for a sole trader to provide first aid even if they are very experienced. It's all SJA and The Red Cross at the moment and they aren't cheap. It would also allow a greater number of courses to develop that cover the basics but are also specific to industry areas and the hazards they face. They exist now but at a high price. Taking the HSE out of the mix would be a good thing in my opinion.
Bob Shillabeer  
#4 Posted : 26 September 2012 14:28:18(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

Clariel you are probably right but how do you prevent the cowboys from making lots of money out of it by providing sub-standard training, some sort of standard is a must. I always stuck to the Red Cross or St Andrews providers myself.
MrsBlue  
#5 Posted : 26 September 2012 15:11:24(UTC)
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I used a provider who trained two company nurses to deliver Emergency first aid and annual refresher training saving over time loads of dosh. This is under the present rules where the provider is approved by the HSE. The provider is not SJA or Red Cross - too expensive. I use the provider for FAW training only. Once the rules change I will continue with my present provider for two years then do a review of contractor (as I do for all contractors working for the company - bog standard stuff really). Rich
teh_boy  
#6 Posted : 26 September 2012 15:17:35(UTC)
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teh_boy

Bob Shillabeer wrote:
Clariel you are probably right but how do you prevent the cowboys from making lots of money out of it by providing sub-standard training, some sort of standard is a must.
There are already cowboys! Why should first aid be any different to fire, asbestos, FLT training? A good thing too IMHO
Jake  
#7 Posted : 26 September 2012 15:35:16(UTC)
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Jake

I've taken issues with one of the main players recently, as one of our first aiders reported back that she was told that she categorically cannot use the defibs we have installed as she has not been on the "approved" training course! OK it's relatively minor, and I get that all organisations need to up-sell, but stating something that is factually incorrect is not acceptable IMO, plus if she had just gone about her business and not let us know what delegates were told, a instance may have occurred where a defib would be a benefit and she would not have used it believing she wasn't allowed!
teh_boy  
#8 Posted : 26 September 2012 16:48:53(UTC)
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teh_boy

I had a similar issue where the trainer commented that our MedGas equipment was old and needed updating... updating had massive cost implications and all cylinders were legal and serviced, just old... It almost resulted in the union refusing to allow our emergency response teams to work!!! needless to say strong words were had with said provider :) Lots of people on my courses tell me that they have been told they must never put a plaster on to a casualty as they will end up in jail! - One had even removed all plasters from the workplace just in case!!! It's a fun world
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