Hi All,

Views please:

I have been advised by a fire safety consultant that a Personal Emergency Evacuation Plan (PEEP) can not be put in place for a person in a care environment who is not responsive and is unable to move/communicate. He reason being that a PEEP can only be established if the person who it is for has some input into the process.

He advises that arrangements for a non responisive person should be established via a risk assessment.

I would imagine that the risk assessment findings/action plan would be similar to what would be established if there process were to be labelled as developing a 'PEEP'. Are we talking about a similar process, but with different terminiology being used? Do you agree that a PEEP an only be establish if the person who it is for has some input? Can you direct me to any guidance etc where PEEPs for non responsive persons are addressed?

James

listen to David

As for PEEPs its nothing more that a risk assessment [most PEEP's that I have seen are very poor examples of a risk assessment] based around a specific person - if a person cannot input their carer /person with power of attorney does the input for them - your adviser appears to have little experience

A PEEP is a bespoke emergency evacuation plan for those who are unable to follow the generic EP for the premises. This seems to describe the situation here

Obviously, involving the person is key, but if they cannot take part in the consultation, is there not a healthcare professional or someone who knows their needs who can help?

I agree about the semantic issue. Whether it's PEEP or a RA who cares, as if it quacks like a duck, it probably is one!!