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Richard Rose  
#1 Posted : 02 October 2012 13:33:45(UTC)
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Richard Rose

Hi, We are currently placing a standard office style portakabin unit beside our office for some expansion requirements. It is a single exit rectangle shape, one story, the entrance is a standard door with a lever handle, this can be locked from both sides with a key. My worry is there is now way to get out if someone locks the unit and anyone inside has no key. This is a professional unit from Portakabin, so i would have thought these things would need to come under the same rules as any building and have a fire exit with a push to open style paddle on the door to get out? Has anyone any experience in the use of temporary structures of this type? Thanks
KAJ Safe  
#2 Posted : 02 October 2012 14:00:32(UTC)
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KAJ Safe

It may sound obvious but couldn't the person who locks up just pop his head around the door and check no one is in before locking up, or keep a spare key on the inside wall (near the door).
Richard Rose  
#3 Posted : 02 October 2012 14:03:03(UTC)
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Richard Rose

Well the internal lock is a tumbler style thing that can lock or unlock by hand without a key. My issue was as the door has to be pulled inwards to open, i was worried it wouldnt work as a fire door, i just wondered what the regs were on this as i understand that fire doors had to open outwards and be push bar style?
roshqse  
#4 Posted : 02 October 2012 14:03:34(UTC)
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roshqse

These are temporary buildings, intended for short term use. Therefore I would RA it as acceptable due to the short term temporary installation. There is no requirement for a panic bar opening handle as it's low occupation, only used by those familiar with the layout and wouldn't be involved in a 'mas evacuation' scenario. If you're concerned about the door being locked from outside, (and likely is that?) then place a spare key inside in a glass key holder? It's about significant risks and likelihood isn't it?
jakandra  
#5 Posted : 02 October 2012 14:03:35(UTC)
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jakandra

Hi there Had experience doing FRA's for premises that include portakabins. Firstly, whatever a manufacturer/installer supplies, it does not have to conform to nay regs for these temporary structures. Secondly, there is nothing in the regs that stipulate pushbars, especially on temporary structures like this that can be used in many different ways. Best fit in this case is to leave the key in the lock on the inside when in use then you never have to struglle to find the key. Hope this is of use; feel free to get free advice from email driect to me if you wish, rgeorge@allinsafety.org.uk
roshqse  
#6 Posted : 02 October 2012 14:05:07(UTC)
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roshqse

And no fire exits don't HAVE to open outwards. Only if it was a mass evacuation where people would be trapped behind a door would it be necessary. Sometimes opening outwards can be a hazard itself if it opens onto another exit route.
Richard Rose  
#7 Posted : 02 October 2012 14:11:37(UTC)
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Richard Rose

Ah ok. that helps me make plans. I just wanted to ensure was doing it all correctly. Getting extinguishers and aolarm\detection in place anyway.
jakandra  
#8 Posted : 02 October 2012 16:27:08(UTC)
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jakandra

Just quick note on fire exits opening outwards; they DO have to open in direction of travel are there is a capacity limit on use of such, but with a portakabin this capacity would not be exceeded.
SBH  
#9 Posted : 02 October 2012 22:03:46(UTC)
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SBH

CHANGE THE LOCK TO ONE THAT IS A THUMB TURN DEVICE INSIDE THE CABIN SIMPLES SBH
roshqse  
#10 Posted : 03 October 2012 10:38:16(UTC)
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roshqse

Fire Exits do not HAVE to open outwards. That used to be the case many years ago. But since the demise of the FP Act and Firs Servies Act it's all down to RA by the occupier. In cases where the hazard of a door opening outwards would block another escape route it would be more than acceptable to have it open inwards. Also it would depend on the number of people possibly using it in a hurry. I would suggest that a standard size portacabin is not going to hold a great deal of people and those people are aware of the escape route and method of operating the door, therefore the door opening inwards is not a problem. Scenario:- You rearrange the offices in your building. Old one had an outward opening door as the building was built 20 years ago. New office, in different part of building has door that opens inwards as it was never an occupied area and not an escape route. However the office only has 6 people in it. Where would be the hazard in it opening inwards? It would be unreasonable on grounds of cost to have the door taken out, rebuilt and reversed for such a low risk. If however you have lots of people in the office, there is a chance of mass evacuation being required and some occupants would be unfamiliar with the escape, (public, visitors etc.) then YES have it open outwards, because there is now a chance of people becoming trapped behind the door. I'll stop now because I'm losing the thread....
Lisa Boulton  
#11 Posted : 03 October 2012 16:49:17(UTC)
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Lisa Boulton

The HSE Guidance document HSG168 (Fire Safety in Construction) Appendix 1 gives a section in the use of temporary accommodation units. Though not directly your scenario it may still be worth a look as gives useful points to consider when using a temporary office.
messyshaw  
#12 Posted : 04 October 2012 05:13:33(UTC)
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messyshaw

SBH wrote:
CHANGE THE LOCK TO ONE THAT IS A THUMB TURN DEVICE INSIDE THE CABIN SIMPLES SBH
Why not have a standard lever type door handle. Much easier to open for everyone and even more 'simples' than a thumb turn?
SBH  
#13 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:25:30(UTC)
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SBH

With a thumb turn you can still lock the door from the inside - simples SBH
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