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lisar  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2012 11:35:49(UTC)
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lisar

Hello, Just out of interest what accident catergories do you have? I have ppe not being worn , slips trips, colided into static object, manual handling, hit by falling object also cuts but my boss after all these years wants cuts removing as he feels its an injury rather than the cause. what do you have? what would you have instead of cuts?
KieranD  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2012 12:47:26(UTC)
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KieranD

Lisa Are you asking the most appropriate questions for designing or evaluating a risk management framework? Your boss may well be pointing you in the right direction. An adequate answer depends on the sector you're in, after all accidents in high hazard sectors regulated by COMAH are likely to have different sources than in retailing, manufacturing or medical services. Two reliable, well-researched, scientifically-based and very readable sources to consult if you want to go what your boss is highlighting: a. 'Human Error', J Reason, Cambridge University Press, 1990 b. 'Ergonomics Health and Work', S Pheasant. Macmillan 1992
lisar  
#3 Posted : 05 October 2012 12:56:45(UTC)
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lisar

These are for my end of month kpis , in order to identify a need for further action if any. All recorded accidents are put into a category chart
chris42  
#4 Posted : 05 October 2012 13:05:41(UTC)
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chris42

How about:- Contact with Machinery Hit by Moving, Flying Objects Hit by Moving Vehicle Hit something fixed/stationary Handling, Carrying or Lifting Slip, Trip or Fall (same level) Fall from above 2M Fall from below 2M Trapped by something Collapsing Drowning or Asphyxiation Contact with Harmful Substance Exposed to Fire Exposed to an Explosion Contact with Electricity Other (explain) You need to generate categories that reflect the accidents / incidents you are seeing. For cuts I guess you could call it contact with sharp object. If not what else are you going to list them as? or does your boss not want you to list them at all?
lisar  
#5 Posted : 05 October 2012 13:10:19(UTC)
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lisar

Lol , Chris...im running with contact with sharp object . Sometimes my brain can't see the woods for the trees
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 05 October 2012 13:11:51(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

After going through this recently we have decided that we will classify out incidents using three categories: 1. Accident Types (based on the HSE Classification for RIDDOR reporting) 2. Injury Types-again based on HSE Classification for RIDDOR 3. Our own Severity classification based on the impact of the injury I can email you these lists if you wish just PM me an email address so I can attach the document with the categories.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 05 October 2012 16:26:15(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

KPI? How can this be a performance indicator? The outcome of any accident is a matter of chance!
Jake  
#8 Posted : 05 October 2012 17:23:49(UTC)
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Jake

lisareed wrote:
Hello, Just out of interest what accident catergories do you have? I have ppe not being worn , slips trips, colided into static object, manual handling, hit by falling object also cuts but my boss after all these years wants cuts removing as he feels its an injury rather than the cause. what do you have? what would you have instead of cuts?
It depends what you are trying to classify / analyse. It would be prudent to separate accident hazard to accident injury, you may well wish to classify both, separately (overview of all accidents by hazard and by injury). A cut is an injury as a result of a hazard (which could have been many things!), therefore I would not combine this in the same analysis as the other hazards you have mentioned.
sadlass  
#9 Posted : 06 October 2012 00:19:47(UTC)
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sadlass

Lisa I feel a sense that there is some confusion between hazard (related to causal factor/s) and injury outcome (down to chance) - as picked up on by others already. What are you trying to classify and count and why? It sounds like your boss has spotted that injuries are distinct from problem / cause. I agree it can be surprisingly tricky to set up a category list (you would think it would be quite commonplace, but . . . ) and I can only think to refer you to RIDDOR categories but I don't personally find them so useful. As Kieran says, the range of environments dicate different hazards, although a core list may overlap. The point of such a list is to try to spot where problems are originating - is manual handling a weakness or are your main problems around equipment for example. 'PPE not being worn' also conflicts - it is not the cause of the 'incident' (hazard) nor is it the injury - it's a factor. KPI? Please say no and leave it at that.
John J  
#10 Posted : 06 October 2012 08:59:54(UTC)
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John J

lisareed wrote:
Hello, Just out of interest what accident catergories do you have? I have ppe not being worn , slips trips, colided into static object, manual handling, hit by falling object also cuts but my boss after all these years wants cuts removing as he feels its an injury rather than the cause. what do you have? what would you have instead of cuts?
Lisa, I take it you are trying to to define what the causes of your accidents are so that you can put controls in place to avoid reoccurrences. The causal factors you have (along with the suggested additions) seem to be a representative sample. One area you might want to consider is contributing factors e.g inattention, inclement, fatigue etc Are you using OSHA or RIDDOR for your accident definition?
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#11 Posted : 06 October 2012 14:24:05(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Rather vague question Lisa. It needs clarification. My own accident categories are sharps injury, skin & soft tissue sepsis, ocular infection, respiratory infection, each subcategorised by likely mode of acquisition and potential for spread. I really don't care too much about slips and trips, unless someone trips then slips face first into a culture of something nasty! I am really concerned about PPE use, and the efficacy of all other safety systems, but if it's a pair of steel-capped boots I would happily ignore them. Horses for course I suppose. Are we back on the building sites again?
Kate  
#12 Posted : 08 October 2012 10:02:49(UTC)
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Kate

A danger of having preset categories of causes to choose between is that the investigation only looks at the causes in the list instead of looking with an open mind which may come up with something different altogether and far more relevant to that accident. Also there is the issue of counting accidents that have more than one cause. I don't see how not wearing PPE is likely to be a cause of an accident - all the PPE usually does is mitigate the consequences of the accident.
Mr.Flibble  
#13 Posted : 08 October 2012 10:40:51(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Was this not answered by the 4th post? And trending accidents by putting them into categories is very common and used by lot of big companies.
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