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SNS  
#1 Posted : 08 October 2012 10:28:38(UTC)
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SNS

Morning all, On a number of MSDS's for substances we have it states 'gloves should be worn' but does not indicate what type of glove - nitrile / latex / protection factor etc etc. Should the suppliers not be more specific on MSDS's, and which gloves should we use if there is no indication? Your comments and advice would be appreciated. Regards, S
allanthetrainer  
#2 Posted : 08 October 2012 10:53:19(UTC)
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allanthetrainer

Try the msds on the supplier’s website, these seem to be more detailed in my experience (the one you have is not a true MSDS in my opinion) allan
teh_boy  
#3 Posted : 08 October 2012 11:08:30(UTC)
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teh_boy

allanthetrainer wrote:
Try the msds on the supplier’s website, these seem to be more detailed in my experience (the one you have is not a true MSDS in my opinion) allan
? really ? Call the supplier - quote section 6.... and be told, it's your job to do a risk assessment :) They really should be more helpful as the correct glove is absolutely vital and it is well within their duties as outlined in section 6! let alone CHIP / REACH etc I have found glove manufactures to be really helpful in providing break through times and practical solutions Lets also not forget where PPE is in the hierarchy!
SNS  
#4 Posted : 08 October 2012 11:40:07(UTC)
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SNS

Thanks so far, we are applying the ERIC hierarchy, and PPE is like Torquay - the last resort :)
teh_boy  
#5 Posted : 08 October 2012 12:08:49(UTC)
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teh_boy

SNS wrote:
Thanks so far, we are applying the ERIC hierarchy, and PPE is like Torquay - the last resort :)
OI!!!! From Sunny Torbay - reporting that as abuse, as surely you mean Paignton. :) Sorry only time for short replies today, let me know if you have further questions....
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 08 October 2012 13:23:19(UTC)
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chris.packham

The selection and use of gloves for chemical protection is frequently much more complex than many realise. As someone who has devoted considerable time in the past (and still does) to this topic, and who co-wrote the relevant chapter in "Protective Gloves for Occupational Use" (CRC Press, ISBN 0-8493-1558-1), I frequently encounter situations where the gloves recommended by the supplier/manufacturer are not the correct ones, or are being used outside their real performance limits. Some years ago I carried out a study together with a UK university, testing the performance of gloves under actual conditions of use. The data we obtained bore almost no relationship to the data published by the manufacuturers. In one case the same glove (nominal permeation breakthrough time 36 mins for the solvent in question) showed in excess of 2 hours in one task and just 5 minutes in another. And what about mixtures? I have data on a glove that shows a breakthrough time of >240 minutes for each of toluene and MEK, but just 9 minutes if these are mixed 1:1. Temperature changes can also affect performance. In some cases a small increase can reduce performance by in excess of 90%. The supplier has a duty to show the type of glove and the nominal performance data on the safety data sheet (but very few do). Of course, the supplier has a duty under section 6-1 of the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, but how many ever provide this (or would even be able to do this, given the complexity and need to view the actual task). Chris For the moderator - I derive no income from the sale of the book mentioned.
John J  
#7 Posted : 08 October 2012 15:03:11(UTC)
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John J

The book Chris mentions is a very interesting and thought provoking one and well worth a read. It changed my view on some of the solutions I was looking at. I don't get any profits from the book either
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