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A lot of our staff are getting emails suggesting that the law is changing in January and that new safety signs are required. The emails are suggesting that in order to comply with EN7010 we need to update all our signs. I smell a marketing ploy here however before I ignore the emails (from 'reputable' companies) am I right to be sceptical? Whilst I can understand new signs needing to comply do we really need to replace existing ones and is EN7010 The Law or just a suggested standard, (ie are we free to create our own signs)? Comments welcome.
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Some suppliers are suggesting that a new European regulation requires replacement of fire exit signs.
My understanding is that ISO 7010: ‘Graphical symbols - Safety colours and safety signs - Registered safety signs’ was originally published in 2003. Now, in addition to being recently updated, it's about to be (or has just been) adopted as a legally required standard across Europe and will be known as PrEN7010.
British Standard BS5499:2002 Graphical Symbols and Signs was used as the basis for ISO 7010. This means that the UK should get off pretty lightly when it comes to changes needed.
However, there are two main types of emergency exit route and final exit signs in use in the UK. The first is based on the designs shown in the BS and the other commonly known as the ‘Euro-sign’ is based on the designs shown in the EEC Directive (EEC/92/58). The new PrEN7010 will probably mandate the BS-style sign rather than the Euro-sign. The Euro-signs seem to be the most common in use in the UK, and may need to change (eventually). However, it is much more likely that any regulations mandating the new sign will only apply to new installations (ie, not require replacement of any existing signs). If for some reason it does requires changes I’m sure there will be a massively long period in which to make the change. Thus, there is no immediate need to replace functional fire exit signs.
[White angular man with both knees bent running towards a white rectangle is the Euro-sign. Green man with curved elbows and one knee straight running through a white rectangle is the BS sign.]
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I think the term free to create your own signs could have potential problems. internationaly recognised signage has been with us for a while, I use standard signage with additional information as required.
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What are the Implications for UK Businesses and Organisations?
At present, ISO 7010 is essentially a set of ‘best practice’ standards which industries and businesses can use to ensure their safety information is clear and consistent. ISO is working on developing ISO 7010 into an ‘ISO EN 7010′ (EN = European Norm) and after this, the contents of the standard will be required to be written into European law. After this point, it will become a legal obligation to comply with the standards in the UK. It is therefore recommended that any new organisations ,or organisations in the process of updating their safety information, ensure their signage complies with ISO 7010 so it does not become out of date once the standard becomes part of British standards.
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It is not up to ISO, but down to European Committee for Standardization (CEN) whether it adopts an ISO Standard at European Level.
It is through the "Vienna Agreement", signed by CEN in 1991 with ISO that deals with technical cooperation and adoption of the same text, as both an ISO Standard and a European Standard, so they do work in co-operation.
Many sign supplier qoute, "Over the next few months we will see the adoption of a new standard for safety signs as ISO 7010 is soon to become Pr EN 7010. The change will see safety signs in the workplace move away from being an “International standard” (essentially a recommendation on best practice), to a European norm (meaning the contents of the standard must be written into UK and EU law). "
A PrEN_____ is not the final CEN standard, but a PROPOSED one.
Last, but not least, unless a CEN standard is a requirement or part of the Essentisl Safety Requirements as a part of Harmonised supply directives, it is mandatory to have signs that meet current requirements to be changed.
However, it is would be prudent to buy new signs that meets the ISO standard and the yet to be proposed CEN adoption.
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Sorry, I missed out an all important "not" so the last para should read :-
Last, but not least, unless a CEN standard is a requirement or part of the Essentisl Safety Requirements as a part of Harmonised supply directives, it is NOT mandatory to have signs that meet current requirements to be changed.
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But the fact that a standard is a EN does not mean that it needs to be (or will necessarily ever be) written into any law - european or otherwise. An EN is just a standard, not a law. It will only be mandated if a law is also passed which says you must have fire exit signs that comply with EN whatever-it-is.
Having said which, it seems likely that this one will be referenced to some degree in law, eventually, but it seems to me very unlikely that it will be mandated for anything other than new applications. So, if you happen to be putting up new signs for some reason, it's probably best to make the new one match what will probably be in the EN. However, the EN is not a reason to be replacing existing signs.
I do note, however, that the directive that started it all (Council Directive 92/58/EEC of 24 June 1992 on the minimum requirements for the provision of safety and/or health signs at work (ninth individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16 (1) of Directive 89/391/EEC)) explicitly states that you don't need to use exactly the pictogram it shows in its illustrations. Annex II Item 1.3: "The pictograms used may be slightly different from or more detailed than those shown in section 3, provided that they convey the same meaning and that no difference or adaptation obscures the meaning." So actually, you can make a case for arguing that whichever of the two pictograms does end up in an EN, the other one would also be directive-compliant anyway. So then you need to be guessing whether our new UK law will simply be a copy-out of the directive (so any reasonably modern fire exit sign will be compliant) or whether we will get more gold-plating or diluting.
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forward the e-mails to Judith's myth busters panel
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achrn wrote:
However, there are two main types of emergency exit route and final exit signs in use in the UK. [White angular man with both knees bent running towards a white rectangle is the Euro-sign. Green man with curved elbows and one knee straight running through a white rectangle is the BS sign.]
There are actually 3
the 3rd being the HTM (Firecode) compliant firesign used in hospitals
it has a fire symbol added and costs twice as much as a BS sign
apparantly when asked to identify a fire sign a few visitors to hospitals looked at the green man going through the door and thought it ment toilet this way so the fire was added
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This really is a load of Euro nonsense.
We use the Euro fire exit sign - ie. man, arrow and rectangle - (aka man running towards a fridge). In addition we also use a capital letter within the rectangle as all the exit routes from this large building are designated 'A', 'B' 'C' etc.
This MOE designation allows incident managers to use the manual part of the voice alarm system to guide evacuees from a particular escape route if it is compromised etc.
The system is subject to two evacuation drills per year and has been accepted by the fire enforcing authority. In addition to the 2 drills, staff receive fire awareness training every year.
So now we might have to consider changes due to a European directive. I don't think so! Our signs are already a variation on the Euro sign and they work, so I am minded to ignore the changes
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Every hotel I've been in while staying in Brussels or France over the past 10 years had SORTIE in red on a white background. Good to see they are keeping up with the times.
Not a Euro bash, just a reflection that I probably need to stay in better hotels.
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