Latchy, Sorry information on these changes is very thin and sketchy with my only source APS and the HSE press release. There is a lot of speculation over these changes; however until the draft regulations are published in December, I would not expect any further tangible information. APS appear to be quite optimistic about these changes; however as a practicing CDM-C, I am not as confident. See: http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...iac/200612/m2-2012-2.pdf and http://eur-lex.europa.eu...=CELEX:31992L0057:EN:NOT and If you google the July/August CIOB magazine (Construction Manager) it is worth having a read of the comment article by Richard Thorne on page 12.

LATCHY Attended a meeting with one of the Snr HSE Inspectors involved in the re-write of the regs and they are looking at doing a "copy out" of the EU Regs - basically means they will be word for word, I hope not. This is not definite just an option they are considering.

The simplest thing would be to emphasize training rather than paperwork which currently sits in the corner.

I keep hitting post instead of entering text!! Anyhoo - we need to be careful when discussing "domestic" jobs in the context of the Directive 92/57/EEC. Whereas the Directive would apply to the contractor, designer etc. it DOES NOT extend to the domestic clients. Some people who should know better have been spreading this rumour (inc. CONIAC). 92/57/EEC has to be read in the context of the parent Directive - which is concerned with employers and undertakings in exactly the same way as our H&S@Work Act.

I empathise with you there Bob, but from a regulatory perspective, this is already covered? The Management Regs apply to all aspects of work. In other respects, those from the Client side need effective training and effective systems for Project management - too often work ends up with us when it properly rests with the duty holder. In the wider context, for notifiable projects the emphasis should be on competent CDM-C appointments.

The trouble is that much of what is being discussed is speculative and most of my clues have come from the APS press release issued back in May this year and stated “the HSE has indicated that it will be taking into account more closely the original requirements of the EU Temporary or Mobile Construction Sites Directive (TMCS), as well as the outcome of its CDM evaluation, and the various Red Tape Challenges and associated Star Chamber reports”. Interestingly this press release has been withdrawn; however there is still the Richard Thorne’s, Construction Manager article available http://construction-mana...-aint-broke-dont-fix-it/ which states that ACOP would be dropped in favour of a simpler guidance document. If I recall, this was also stated in the original APS press release. As a CDM-C I have a vested interest in the latest UK interpretation on the TMCS Coordinators for safety and health role and how this will be implemented? As an observer, I am also interested in seeing how differently the new regulations are once the legislation drafting process is complete. My hypothesis is that once they have taken the TMCS and scoped this around the framework of our current H&S legislation, I suspect that this may almost be back to where we currently are.

If the review goes back to the basics of the Directive, we may have additional co-ordinators duties. The Directive discusses "the co-ordinator" responsibilities both during design and at construction stage. In the Republic of Ireland, there are Planning Supervisor, Design Stage (PSDS) and also Planning Supervisor, Construction Stage (PSCS) within their version of the CDM Regulations (The Procurement, Design and Management requirements of the Safety, Health and Welfare (Construction) Regulations 2006. This addresses the issue that many CDMC's have raised over the years: who will advise the Client on health and safety matters once construction starts? Not all Clients employ "competent persons" with comprehensive construction experience.

Stedman, your are correct: it should have been Project Supervisor. (I must have been indulging in nostalgia again). PH2

Latchy, If you can get hold of the Current copy of the APS Digest, all will be much clearer in terms of the potential changes.