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Colleague'A' at the start of their shift listening to their supervisor giving details of the upcoming shift. Another colleague 'B' puts their knee into the back of colleague 'A' knee. Colleague 'A' who had surgery on their knee 2 years ago suffers injury to their knee that keeps them away from work for over 7 days. Both colleagues confirmed there was no intent to injure (they are friends). You guessed the question....reportable or not ?
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See my answer to the other recent RIDDOR question and my response is the same and for the same reasons - not RIDDOR because it was not related to work.
However, the guy in question is an idiot and should potentially be given a warning about 'horseplay' at work.
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Thanks Clairel, totally agree with your 'idiot' comment.
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Could this be considered an act or an ommission on the part of colleague 'B'? The fact they were both listening to details of the upcoming shift could also be deemed as work related.
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HASAWA Section 7. Potential prosecution. Report him to HSE and see what they say.
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Firesafety101 wrote:HASAWA Section 7. Potential prosecution. Report him to HSE and see what they say.
Tad Harsh!
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bit of over reaction here, make a judgment based on the facts and people do mess about, more to do with discaplin than anything i would say
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Harsh?????? Let the guy off and he will do it again. Others will see him get away with it and follow suit.
Make an example - managers are there to manage and show some balls, what if nothing is done and he does it again only hurting someone else quite badly - would you then think you should have been a little more harsh ?
Rules are rules and especially HAZAWA. If this has been reported and HSE pay a visit and ask about action taken to prevent re occurrence what do you say?
Does everyone pick the rules that only suit themselves when they feel like it.
No wonder the country is in a mess if no one is prepared to stand up and be counted.
I have my tin hat on by the way and now going for a lie down
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If you feel a need to make sure someone isn't "let off" then you have to take disciplinary action yourselves. It's not the HSE's job to take it for you!
If indeed they asked "What action has been taken to prevent recurrence?" and you said "We reported him to you" how do you see that going down with the inspector?
If others have seen this incident and know about the injury that resulted, they are less not more likely to follow suit (that is mess around thinking there's no harm in it).
I apologise if "report him to the HSE" and "others will follow suit" were intended as jokes but unfortunately I don't feel sure about that.
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Report him to the HSE - potential prosecution.
IMO tad hard too Firesafety
Couple of lads larking about which they should not have been - deal with in-house and send out a message.
This is not a matter for the HSE - where is this in the public interest to go anywhere near any formal action let alone prosecution.
TTTWTW - your employer would be happy picking up the bill of £124 and hour for that one eh? I not you may be LA anyhow?
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I don't know why my post can't be read, no offensive words or comments were included? I think?
I only said what I did because of the hesitance re dealing with the culprit.
It should be dealt with in house but if in doubt talk to the HSE.
DP I am the employer - and would not hesitate to deal with this person myself in no uncertain terms.
Some of the contractors I work with would have had this person removed from site straight away and never to return. You just can't afford people like that in the workplace.
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Not sure why your post is blocked firesafety, seemed OK to me.
I guess to a cetain extend it depends what side of the fence you sit on and what you believe your role is, but I'm in agreeance with DP (and would like to think that most OHS professionals working for large companies would be too) that it would not be appropriate to contact the HSE (assuming your business is HSE regulated).
Applying good business acumen would suggest that involving the HSE in such an issue (and the potential subsequent investigation / lost manager time / preparation etc.) would be unwise.
We are the experts and I would be hesitant to proactively contact the regulator! I've known of cases where an OHS professional has contacted the HSE about an issues, in good intent, only for them to them be served a notice on said issue, when the issue was being resolved anyhow (i.e. they could have just asked around their peers etc. to get a general consensus). Who gained in that scenario? No one, apart from the HSE inspector I guess...
I think it's important that those OHS professional working for business (as a pose to consultancy etc.) remain aware of the business risk our decisions could have.
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'A' was absent for over 7 days because of this incident. The orginal post posed the question is it reportable? My opinion is it was 'work related' because as stated 'A' & 'B' were listening to a brief from their shift supervisor so they were 'at work' and therefore work related, so as i see it, would report. Any consideration to discipline 'B' is up to the employer.
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'At work' isn't necessarily the same as 'arising from work' though. Hypothetical examples I recall from RIDDOR guidance are:
A punches B in an argument about their working relationship - work-related
A punches B in an argument about something that happened outside work - not work-related
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Firesafety - I personally found nothing offensive about your post at all - you had an opinion different to mine granted - I call that a debate - not sure why it was removed.
Kate - you are correct IMO this is not reportable.
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I am uncertain why the post was removed. I thought it was a ridiculous suggestion, but otherwise essentially innocuous.
For the most part the discipline of staff is a matter for the employer and I suggest that it wouldn’t be the best use of court time, or anyone else’s for that matter, to expect this to be dealt with as a prosecution under S7.
It is certainly not a course of action that I would likely ever suggest to an employer. I would say that a S7 prosecution is for the HSE to instigate as a result of their own investigation and not something that they are likely to embark on at the behest of an employer. Happy to be wrong and perhaps Claire or Graham could comment.
I wonder if such a tactic might attract FFI for the employer? I don’t know.
You know what they say about washing your dirty linen?
The situation as described can be adequately dealt with by internal procedures without the need to involve the HSE, court time etc etc
And I wholeheartedly agree with Jakes comment about being 'business aware' - absolutely!
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Surely this must be reportable? Both employees were engaged in work activities, attending a briefing. This is a work activity, and during this, one committed an act of non-consensual violence on the other. I don't see any avoidance of reporting.
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