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tony.  
#1 Posted : 16 October 2012 16:28:57(UTC)
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tony.

Good Afternoon,
Can someone point me in the direction of guidance for storing paint inside a building.
Its standard water based emulsion and oil based glosses and varnishes as used by a maintenance dept.
thanks in advance.
tony
roshqse  
#2 Posted : 16 October 2012 16:36:29(UTC)
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roshqse

We store paint but it is all flammable stuff.

Our assessment means it has to be stored in a separate store marked up as flammable store. No sources of ignition etc.

Can I suggest the safety data sheet as a starting point?
Is it flammable?
Does it have noxious fumes?
How harmful is it to the environment if a spill occurs?
Will it be decanted into other containers for use, if so are they suitable?
Will untrained persons come into contact with it?

It is just like storing any other substance.
Don't get confused or overly concerned that it is paint. Think of it as a chemical substance.
phow  
#3 Posted : 16 October 2012 16:59:02(UTC)
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phow

Tony. Your reference docs is "Safe use and handling of flammable liquids HSG 140" (dated). Waterborne paints can be kept indoors and are not usually a problem at all -in fact need to be kept frost free.
Your glosses and varnishes are probably White spirit based paints & Flash point above 32c .
Paint up to a volume of about 25lt total can be kept in a "flammables cupboard" indoors. In lower risk situations I'd allow a couple of cupboard. Volumes greater than this need to be kept locked outdoors. Just watch out for lots of 5lt cans of White spirits or Turps sloshing arround to clean the brushes!
For more information contact "Britich coatings Federation" web site OR the paint suppliers. Regards Peter
Mr.Flibble  
#4 Posted : 16 October 2012 17:24:48(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Purely out of interest (for anyone who covers shops) how does someone like B&Q get round not having to store their paints, thinners, white spirit, spray cans etc in cabinets but on shelf's and in large amounts?

They are a business and covered by the same H&S Regulations!?
tony.  
#5 Posted : 16 October 2012 17:43:07(UTC)
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tony.

Thank you for all your replies.

I will look up this guidance tomorrow morning.
The desire to store the paint internally, was having to arrange at great expense to remove paint tat was ruined by sub zero conditions sitting in a coshh metal locker stored outside.

I have had a corner of a metal clad/block building partitioned off to create a small lockabe store
High and low level passive vent
Smoke detector onto existing building zone.
Currently lit by an ip rated fitted, but will lookat a atex fitting if required
Its fitted with a 1 hour rated door and partition.
Its mostly for emulsion, but would say there would be more than 25 litres of oil based products.

I too wonder about warehouses etc
Access to the door is via a key on a restricted lock suite, and onlyte painter,who is timed served would be in there.
Jake  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2012 17:45:57(UTC)
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Jake

Mr.Flibble wrote:
Purely out of interest (for anyone who covers shops) how does someone like B&Q get round not having to store their paints, thinners, white spirit, spray cans etc in cabinets but on shelf's and in large amounts?

They are a business and covered by the same H&S Regulations!?


I do not know the specific answer, but presumably becasue the RRO requires a risk based decision to be made about reducing the risk SFAIRP. There is no legislative requirement prohibiting the storage of more than say 25L (or whatevevr amount) of white-spirit based paint indoors.
Clairel  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2012 18:46:47(UTC)
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Clairel

Water based non flammable paints do no need any special precautions (in relation to fire risks). Smaller (generally up to 50l is considered ok) quantities of spirit based paints and thinners could be stored in a metal cabinet or bin within the workspace. Larger quantities in a dedicated store.

Generally shops can store reasonable quantities of flammables substances for sale (and equally store them in their warehouses). Larger quantities need further precautions, which are detailed in the HSE guidance doc on storage of flammable substances in warehouses.

There is specific industry guidance on storage and display of flammables (including I think better guidance on what is reasonable) but it costs quite a lot of money and I never felt it was worthwhile!
tony.  
#8 Posted : 16 October 2012 21:01:57(UTC)
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tony.

Clairel,

Whats the name of this document, if you dont mind, i have access to,IHS so may be available.

Cheers

Tony
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 17 October 2012 09:10:42(UTC)
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teh_boy

tony. wrote:
sitting in a coshh metal locker stored outside.



I hate to be pedantic, but CoSHH is a set of regulations requiring risk assessment. I find the term CoSHH locker can be very misleading.

We should create segregation for chemicals with similar hazards - hence the common use of flammable stores. The warehouse guidance document listed above gives a table of hazard groups that can be stored together.

The reason why I stress this is all too often I see a 'CoSHH' locker with lots of flammables, a few acids thrown in as their nowhere else to put them, and right in the middle a nice large bottle with a caustic material with a large oxidising symbol on the side.

What we have effectively done here is made a bomb!

I think original question is already answered. As for B&Q et al, lets not forget all those containers are sealed and limited quantities stored. Also there is limited ignition sources.
chris42  
#10 Posted : 17 October 2012 09:22:38(UTC)
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chris42

We used to store paint where I worked inside the factory, and we used to use around 120,000 Litres a year, so we had a fair bit at any one time. It was flammable (two part epoxy), but it was in 20 litre tins. As the process using it required a permit the Local authority knew we had it, but so did the HSE, local fire brigade, our suppliers and customers and most importantly our insurers.

The large room we kept it had other non combustible consumables and had solid block walls, with the roof area constructed to prevent spread of fire. Everyone was happy with this.


phow  
#11 Posted : 17 October 2012 14:13:07(UTC)
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phow

Tony. Because of your relatively "small" quantities, and higher flash points, DSEAR /ATEX is NOT an issue for you. Regards Peter
JohnW  
#12 Posted : 17 October 2012 16:00:40(UTC)
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JohnW

Useful sources are

HSG51 The storage of flammable liquids in containers

HSG71 Chemical warehousing - The storage of packaged dangerous substances
colinreeves  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:46:08(UTC)
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colinreeves

teh_boy wrote:
tony. wrote:
sitting in a coshh metal locker stored outside.
What we have effectively done here is made a bomb!


To see what can happen when things go wrong, look at the pictures on page four of the document at:
http://www.maib.gov.uk/c...art1_MerchantVessels.pdf

Not sure how much the deck weighed, but a good few tons!
teh_boy  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2012 16:30:42(UTC)
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teh_boy

Thanks Colin
That's an excellent example!
tony.  
#15 Posted : 19 October 2012 16:19:32(UTC)
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tony.

I dont think there is much guidance that states a specific quantity, i cant seem to find any in the guidance that forumusers have posted, please correct meif i am wrong

Still waiting on manufacturers to get back to me.
Tony
tony.  
#16 Posted : 19 October 2012 17:58:59(UTC)
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tony.

hsg51 covers all the questions raised in this topic.
Thanks to everyone who posted.
Tony
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