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chris42  
#1 Posted : 18 October 2012 12:51:48(UTC)
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chris42

I wonder if anyone out there can help me. While job hunting I have looked at the specification and duties for a particular role, which states you will need to “Issue impairment notices”. This is a H&S job in a manufacturing industry. I have not come across this term before and wondered if anyone else had and explain to me what it is / would involve.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 18 October 2012 12:56:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Must be a job working for the Luddite Society then! (Or more realistically a howler of a typo intended to read "improvement") ;-)
Evans38004  
#3 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:01:31(UTC)
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Evans38004

Chris, I've come across hot work permits that have an "impairment" section when fire alarm / detection systems need to be by-passed for maintenance work etc. It may be related to this !
m  
#4 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:18:35(UTC)
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m

The spell checker may have substituted it. My former boss sent a company wide e mail when one set of toilets were out of action and apologised for any 'incontinence'. Even the intended 'inconvenience' would have been funny in these circumstances.
Firesafetybod  
#5 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:26:53(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Hi Adding to evans38004 post, you may find this document helpful http://www.rsabroker.com...38E30A5BED7BA0A8BBA39E9B Cheers
Irwin43241  
#6 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:26:57(UTC)
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evans38004 wrote:
Chris, I've come across hot work permits that have an "impairment" section when fire alarm / detection systems need to be by-passed for maintenance work etc. It may be related to this !
Yes, I also think this about a Fire Protection Impairment Notice - when sprinkler system, sprinkler water supply or related fire protection is impaired or shut down. However, not 100% sure.
DP  
#7 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:35:07(UTC)
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DP

Risk management procedures around fire safety - applicable to alarms etc but in the main used when sprinklers systems are inoperable. If you need examples PM me?
Firesafetybod  
#8 Posted : 18 October 2012 13:41:23(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Hi Ref #5 Sorry should have added Risk Management Guidelines http://www.rsabroker.com...38E30A5BED7BA0A8BBA39E9B Cheers
Kate  
#9 Posted : 18 October 2012 14:02:29(UTC)
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Kate

An impairment notice is sent to the insurer (and a copy displayed on site) whenever fire protection equipment (alarms, sprinklers etc) are out of action (either because they have been intentionally disconnected for maintenance work or because there is a fault). The impairment notice includes details of the additional precautions that have been taken to maintain safety (eg processes stopped, increased security tours).
Kate  
#10 Posted : 18 October 2012 14:09:54(UTC)
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Kate

Chris, have also tried to PM you but your inbox is full.
chris42  
#11 Posted : 18 October 2012 14:45:57(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks for the responses, So it seems to relate to fire protection equipment being out of action for a period of time. I had wondered if it was some internal communication specific to the organisation, informing managers about employee impairment. So I would have got that wrong. Kate, I have made space in my inbox, so please send whatever you were going to, as all help is most appreciated. Firesafetybod - thanks for the links, I will review these shortly. Again thanks all for the quick responses and information, most kind.
chris42  
#12 Posted : 18 October 2012 15:02:11(UTC)
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chris42

Firesafetybod Sorry to be a nuisance but are the two shortcuts meant to be different ? As they seem to pull up the same document titled "Risk Management Guidelines".
chris42  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2012 15:44:34(UTC)
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chris42

The information kindly provided and short cuts, to me seem to be related to specific insurance companies, although very similar in content and requirement. Is this just an insurance company requirement or is there some legislation / official guidance also calling for this notification. I tried a HSE website search, but found nothing. PS. Thank you Kate for the email very helpful. PS2. Thanks for the link Firesafetybod, interesting and made sense.
Firesafetybod  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2012 16:15:17(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Hi Chris Yes, they both refer to the same document. Cheers
Kate  
#15 Posted : 19 October 2012 08:09:15(UTC)
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Kate

Chris, as far as I'm aware it's purely an insurance requirement which is applied to sites with a high fire risk.
chris42  
#16 Posted : 19 October 2012 09:15:24(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks for that Kate, it all makes sense. Though I would not have put the company in question in a high risk category, though they do use card and plastic, so I guess possible. Thanks to everyone, all very helpful. Chris
David Bannister  
#17 Posted : 19 October 2012 09:20:57(UTC)
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David Bannister

Chris42, insurers want to know when fire protection (sprinklers and other active measures) are out of service and this may well be a contractual obligation. No notification + fire = claim dispute. For very large exposures it may be that the underwriter will choose to buy temporary additional reinsurance and for long impairments choose to impose an additional premium.
Firesafetybod  
#18 Posted : 19 October 2012 10:02:52(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Chris42 Just to add to the previous posts. Impairment to a fire safety system is an alteration that is relevant under the RRFSO to ensure that the requirements of the ORDER are met, by providing some other compensatory method and are usually seen as an “enforcement notice with a small E” if the fire service think there is the likelihood that the responsible person will comply without having to apply an enforcement notice. Impairment notices are in accordance with the enforcement concordat and usually allows the inspecting authority not having to revisit within a predetermined time to ensure compliance but will usually trust the RP to have complied before the next audit visit. Cheers
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