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I'm interested to know what policies other companies have in place regarding the use of hands-free kits by employees out on the road? I know there have been cases where drivers have been prosecuted because it was proved they were distracted by using hands-free phones. Because many calls are work-related, I think it's only a matter of time before a case is brought against a company under the Corporate Mansluaghter Act. Thanks.
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At my pervious company, we implemented a hands free only policy before the ban was even on the horizon. However, as the majority of users at the time were field sales people, we also implemented certain criteria, such as not getting into in depth conversations/ dealing with irate clients, etc., whilst driving.
They were told to state to the caller that they were currently driving and would call back in 'xx' minutes. Also, if the internal sales team called one of the field sales guys, the first question they were to ask was 'is it safe to talk?'. If they were driving, they were to say so, and the internal sales person would terminate the call by asking them to call back when safe/ convenient to do so.
Apart from meaning they were less likely to be distracted from driving, we sold this to them on the basis that rather than having to think on their feet, in th espace of a few seconds, they would be able to gain an insight into what the call was about. The intervening time could then be spent formulating a reply/ working on a solution...
In my present company, use of mobile phones whilst driving is prohibited entirely - hands free included.
There is a lot of evidence out there that indicates that whether hand held or hands free, the level of distraction is similar (if not the same). I heard somewhere recently that using a phone whilst driving can lead to higher levels of impedence in concentration than drink driving. However, I can't remember the source for this.
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I was told by our transport manager only yesterday that one of our drivers had been prosecuted when using a hands free. If it is about distraction then why are radios or cd players allowed in the cab or come to that a passenger and of course Smoking! These are all distractions. Wheres the evidence of reaction time comparisons for the ones Ive mentioned and theres probably lots more.
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The levels of distraction apparently come from the thought process whilst in various types of conversation, wioth a significantly higher level of concentration being directed to the phone conversation than to driving. In the main, people tend to concentrate more on the conversation than on their surroundings. The person on the other end of the phone is not aware of the drivers surroundings/ traffic levels/ speed/ etc., whereas a passenger is.
As to smoking, that isn't allowed either - the Health Act which came into force in 2007 bans this in company vechicles and, I believe, private vehicles when used on company business, when non-smoking passengers are present.
I take your point on radio's/ cd players/ etc., and I expect that these can prove to be a distraction at times. However, two way conversation is not part of the process of listening to these (singing excepted..), then again, a driver should be able to switch more attention to what is going on in their surroundings (i.e. traffic) when necessary.
There was a survey somewhere that indicated also that different types of music was a contributory factor to different driving attitudes (rock music leadigt to drivers driving faster/ being more aggressive/ assertive and classical being the opposite), but that's a different topic completely.
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*Although I do concede that smoking is still allowed in private vehicles*.
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Our driving policy, that I have written, 'strongly discourages' the use of hands free.
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Our policy prohibits any telephoning (including hands-free) while driving.
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Raywood21766 wrote:I'm interested to know what policies other companies have in place regarding the use of hands-free kits by employees out on the road? I know there have been cases where drivers have been prosecuted because it was proved they were distracted by using hands-free phones. Because many calls are work-related, I think it's only a matter of time before a case is brought against a company under the Corporate Mansluaghter Act. Thanks.
I am not sure that this would be counted as gross breach as required under the act. I suspect that for a gross breach there would have to be evidence that it was company policy for all staff to have to answer the phone even if they were driving, let’s say. If an organisation took steps to discourage this (as suggested by some of the contributors) then that would be sufficient to prevent prosecution under this act but it may still fall foul of other legislation.
This is of course just speculation as there have not been enough cases of corporate manslaughter to decide what exactly a gross breach is.
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#4 - "whereas a passenger is." You must have a very select group of passengers. My 90 year old mother would not have had a clue as to the traffic situation. Nor did my children at ages 8 and 10 when arguing in the back. And if it gets critical I can always turn the phone off. How do you turn two argumentative children in the back of the car off?
And being able to quickly phone my client to say I am stuck in traffic and will be late takes a lot of stress out of the situation, arguably allowing me to concentrate better on the traffic situation and my driving.
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Anything you do while driving can be a distraction, including switching on the radio.
When in the fire brigade I attended many accidents where the driver admitted to changing a tape/CD or something similar.
While it may be considered legal if an accident is caused by this type of distraction it can lead to criminal proceedings.
You never know what will happen, my wife once had an accident because she had a fold-up buggy in the front passenger seat and it started to move so she reached out to stop it falling and she hit the car in front.
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In our organisation we discourage hands free rather than an outright ban. Personally I would like an outright ban but I was out-voted on that one. I think the culture is that most senior managers and directors are the personality types who like to talk a lot and they cannot cope with the concept of driving while shutting up!
I get into this situation a lot: "Hi, are you able to talk at the moment?" "Yeah fine," (I can hear traffic noise or clicking noises of indicator in the background), "Are you driving?" I say. "Yeah but its fine - how can I help you". "Don't worry - just call me back when you are not driving". "Are you sure - it's fine I can talk and drive safely at the same time." , "I'd rather not debate this now". "Speak soon -bye" - as I practically have to cut the person off!
Meanwhile the person has exposed themselves and pedestrians to a whole series of unnecessary risks. If it was clear company policy - it would be much easier and more respected.
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What Ron said.
What nickh said.
As we all know our risk taking experience and what we get away with (survive) informs our future choices. If you have not had a scary moment while on the phone you probably feel it is ok and equivalent to the distraction provided by radios and passengers. We rationalize it.
The ACPO say that they do not envisage any situation, other than an emergency where lives are at stake, where a civilian can justify the use of a phone whilst driving. But then they would say that.
Research carried out in Australia (sorry can't remember the source) showed that survivors of Road Traffic Accidents that were using phones, were as equally likely to be handsfree as not.
Further research showed that holding the conversation not the phone causes the distraction
The National Safety Council in the US have a series of videos on their youtube channel that goes into this a lot better than I can.
Enjoy
Over and out.
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chris.packham wrote:#4 - "whereas a passenger is." You must have a very select group of passengers. My 90 year old mother would not have had a clue as to the traffic situation. Nor did my children at ages 8 and 10 when arguing in the back. And if it gets critical I can always turn the phone off. How do you turn two argumentative children in the back of the car off?
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I thought the OP was referring to a professional environment rather than private?
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Hi,
I would respectfully suggest that it does not matter a jot what the policy says, once out the door and on the road all bets are off - UNLESS there is sufficient training, education and information to ensure drivers are persuaded to either choose to not use the phone or to keep the conversation short and to the point with a follow up when safer,
The policy is worthless without the knowledge as to why,
Jim
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Despite what the company policy says about the use of hands-free phones whilst driving, if the company provide a phone with a hands-free kit then they either expect staff to use the hands-free or they are at least condoning its use when driving. If not, the company would not provide a hands-free kit, it is really that simple. It is of course up to the end user to decide whether they wish to take a call or not, either a short one stating they are driving and will phone back, or a full blown conversation...
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My point exactly, Ray.
The company fits the kit, there is an obvious expectation it is needed and will be used. If the employer then operates and condones a system whereby his mobile workers are routinely expected to take numerous calls, then the employer may well be culpable under the "cause and permit" clause of RT Legislation.
This often comes as a sobering surprise to many employers and managers.
I also worry about this increasing fashion of sticking the phone to the windscreen so you can read messages. A distraction or what! (Not to mention the distraction of a bright light in your field of view at night (similar with Sat Nav - amazed by the number of drivers who seem to need a gadget to tell them that yes, they are on the M6!)
I also thought it illegal to place obstructions within the area of the windscreen swept by wipers - but have seen that same set-up on police cars!!
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Nick
As I recall the original research was published by RoSPA in 2000.
It was sufficiently scary to persuade our Cheif Exec to sign up to an immediate ban on all use of phones when driving.
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Nowadays I have chosen not to use a mobile phone whilst driving, even though the company I work for allows handsfree. Most of my colleagues do use hands free though.
However, I have had too many worrying moments on hands free and so decided that nothing is that important that it can't wait.
It's not just the conversation it's the fact that often you'll be losing signal or road traffic noise makes it difficult to hear what they are saying. So you can be craning your neck, glancing down at the phone to see what reception you've got, redialling etc etc. And that is as well as trying to conduct a telehphone call with someone about a work related matter that you may be having to give careful consideration to.
f I was ever in a position to dictate policy it would be no mobile phones whilst driving. Blanket ban. I think they're dangerous. Too distracting. Especially on our congested roads.
Personally I like the time to listen to music and try and chill out. Trying to field phone calls at the same time as driving makes it more stressful. No client or colleague has anything that important to say that it can't wait.
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