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DarrenL  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2012 14:04:34(UTC)
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DarrenL

We have recently had concerns regarding the accessing and standing on van roof racks during the off loading of materials. Question - Would it be reasonably acceptable for the short duration to allow our operatives to off load from the roof rack after gaining access via the ladder positioned on the rear doors? I have considered the working at height rules and consider the duration of the activity to out way the need for additional controls such as barriers / harnesses etc. What are the thoughts on this issue of off loading from a roof rack?
Renny Thomson  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2012 14:42:44(UTC)
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Renny Thomson

Van roof rack is probably about 2m from the ground, no edge protection, uneven and potentially slippery surface whilst carrying out a manual handling task. Throw in weather conditions, lack of lighting and anything else and I'd consider there are enough hazards with uncontrolled risks to be concerned. How often does it happen? How many people are involved? What are the loads? How long does it take to load and secure the materials? Can it be avoided by specifying more suitable vehicles such as pick-ups, or the use of a trailer?
smith6720  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2012 14:54:46(UTC)
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smith6720

Ask yourself one question: can the person fall from the roof answer yes: then you have to comply with W@H regs > follow the hierarchy of control when working at height is required, "risk assessment"
Clairel  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:10:46(UTC)
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Clairel

smith6720 wrote:
Ask yourself one question: can the person fall from the roof answer yes: then you have to comply with W@H regs > follow the hierarchy of control when working at height is required, "risk assessment"
groan....sorry but I hate these sort of answers. Not very helpful is it.
CliveLowery  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2012 18:38:45(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Darren, Do you really need to let people climb on the roof. Most storage nowadays is either ladders which can be pulled off from the rerar without actually standing on the roof, or items such as pipe etc which tends to be in the long cylindrical tubes you see fixed to the bars. The trouble with allowing people to stand on roofs is they then need that little bit extra height so put their ladders on the roof and before you know it its common practice and everyone's doing it. I think before I allowed any one to stand on a van roof I would like to think I had exhausted every other avenue first and that this really was the only way of off loading and not merely the easiset or the "We've always done it that way". Good luck Clive
smith6720  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2012 20:28:37(UTC)
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smith6720

groan....sorry but I hate these sort of answers. Not very helpful is it. Apoligies Darren Claire you are quite right on your post, sometimes I forget that not everybody on here, are not "safety people" but then again it is the shortened version of some of the other post. Regards
Tigers  
#7 Posted : 23 October 2012 08:46:45(UTC)
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Tigers

Speech Clarel, as I see it we are here to assist anyone who may need the benefit of our experience - well done! I think what you are saying is right, lets have a positive only post day, if you can't be positive don't post.
Tigers  
#8 Posted : 23 October 2012 08:56:58(UTC)
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Tigers

We too have the roof mounted racking syndrome, alternatives we have come up with is as previously suggested a fixed van ladder or hop up for light items, and to have a second operative to help load or unload heavier material and if the roof mounted equipment is an extendable ladder the second operative would be required too. We are also looking at folding ladders to fit inside the van and not be placed on the roof.
Rob M  
#9 Posted : 23 October 2012 09:01:18(UTC)
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Rob M

I think from a RA point of view, that climbing onto a roof rack from a ladder is a none starter.
Rob M  
#10 Posted : 23 October 2012 09:02:34(UTC)
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Rob M

and why do you need a roof rack, get a bigger van
alistair  
#11 Posted : 23 October 2012 09:03:57(UTC)
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alistair

I have experienced similar problems. It seems that some contractors see it as a 'macho' type activity. My advice and view is that the WaH hierarchy really works i.e. as mentioned in your previous posts - AVOID. I cannot see any need to stand on top.
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