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In the role of client, the housing assocation I work for, carries out replacement of windows, bathrooms, kitchens, central heating, or rewiring to whole streets or estates of houses, not as a single contract but as part of an annual day to day maintenance contract.
The works to each street or number of streets in the same area, or estate generally takes over 30 planned working days or more than 500 planned man days.
The contractor works the 'scheme' on each location as a single contract with a site compound and welfare facilities and an appointed site foreman/supervisor.
Would each of these schemes be notifiable as a CDM project?
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Donald
You have answered your own question - "The contractor works the 'scheme' on each location as a single contract"
Single contract over 30 days or 500 mandays Notifiable
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There is no doubt that the work is notifiable in a CDM context, but there is considerable scope for the Client to decide how the work will be notified for these "term" contracts given over to a single PC (often the in-house Building Services division of a LA).
Much depends on how the work is allocated and contracted. Whilst Projects may be Notified by street/area, this is by no means mandatory.
In any event, from the Client's perspective, where the Notifiable Project covers multiple locations (and this is permitted) it is imperative that he take reasonable steps to ensure that the PC will provide suitable welfare at each location.
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Why do we get excited about whether its notifiable or not? To me that is a failing of CDM.
Why not ask the question, what is the level of risk?
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nr wrote:Why do we get excited about whether its notifiable or not? To me that is a failing of CDM.
Why not ask the question, what is the level of risk?
Exactly. Though I'd probably be asking what do I need to do to control the risk.
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Five years on from the 2007 regulations and these same questions are being asked The answer is still the same as it was for the 1994 regulations. If it is a single contract then it is notifiable and exactly how you manage from thereon in is down to your management systems. What you do not do is to make a notification for each address individually
I am wondering however what is happening - Is there a constant influx of people coming into contact with construction without support? Perhaps however it means that the basic training of people entering the profession is so poor that even well known and understood issues are improperly discussed.
Bob
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I think to be fair Bob, the CDM ACoP isn't that helpful as guidance on many occasions. It is invariably looking at a "Construction Site" as a fixed, fenced and wholly given over Site.
Where we have overlap occupation, multiple Projects or a geographic spread of work (as discussed here), L144 is very quiet at times.
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Ron
The acop has always been vague on this hence the need for trainers to train adequately as this is not an uncommon situation. Is it the case that non construction people are training people in this area and they are totally unfamiliar with the realities of the work. It is frightening as one then wonders where the other skill/knowledge gaps are.
Experienced people can work from an acop but this is not the case with new comers or the inexperienced in construction safety.
Bob
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