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Artist1  
#1 Posted : 06 November 2012 11:19:51(UTC)
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Artist1

We have just dicovered through a couple of tests that our young apprentice electrician has a 'Colour vision' issue. He has a problem distinguishing Red and Green. We have sent him for a test and awaiting the report from the optician. As yet we do not know at haswhat stage or category of colour vision problem(If there is any) he has, and if it will affect his carrer prospects. I know the safety implications come first at any point both for Him and his colleagues, and also us a a company and applying 'Duty of Care'. Has anyone else had any problems like this? and how have you dealt with them? given that not all electricians have perfect colour vision. Many Thanks
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 06 November 2012 13:01:10(UTC)
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bob youel

This is a problem and should have been picked up at recruitment stage [equalities act considered] The chap may have problems in the future as well as if he needs to move employer as he may not get far in that occupation You will now have to look at reasonable adjustment or even redundancy - get expert advice
walker  
#3 Posted : 06 November 2012 13:16:37(UTC)
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walker

You should be able to get around this practically and how hard you are prepared to be inclusive. I once had a apprentice sparks in my factory with no colour vision at all - this was some 15 years ago when we were less enlightened, than now. He now runs his own thriving electrical business. There were good reasons why we went from red to brown, black to blue and green to stripey all those years ago. If you follow Bob's advice, may the law drop on you from up on high.
MrsBlue  
#4 Posted : 06 November 2012 14:12:53(UTC)
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I seem to remember that if you are colour blind you cannot get a job on the railways as a signalman. I stand to be corrected. Rich
tony.  
#5 Posted : 06 November 2012 21:57:47(UTC)
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tony.

Colours changed due to harmonisation to come in line with the rest of europe, not for colour blind sparks!
walker  
#6 Posted : 07 November 2012 08:39:37(UTC)
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walker

tony. wrote:
Colours changed due to harmonisation to come in line with the rest of europe, not for colour blind sparks!
true, but the reason EEC harmonised on those particular colours was they are distinguishable by persons with "common" colour blindness traits.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 07 November 2012 12:59:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Phil Grace  
#8 Posted : 07 November 2012 13:00:11(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Walker - thanks for confirming that. I've been reading this thread thinking that I recalled reading something/somewhere/some time that the "new" colours were to overcome colour blindness issues. Perhaps an example of EU harmonisation that was for the common good..??!!? As for railway signallers.. (road) traffic lights are "sequenced" to overcome the need to identify the colours. The older semaphore signals did not need colour recognition... I find it hard to believe that modern railway signals need one to have good colour vision. But of course signallers do not look at the signals - perhaps it's the lights on the modern control boards! Phil
walker  
#9 Posted : 07 November 2012 13:18:43(UTC)
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walker

Phil, The reason I knew was at that time I was sitting on BSI & IEC Electrotechnical Standards committees. I'm trying to think how long ago it was - certainly I had a full head of hair back in those days
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#10 Posted : 07 November 2012 13:33:46(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Been there, done that 20 or so years ago. A biological science technician, red-green colour blind. Wasn't apparent for several years of employment but became a problem when additional duties were involved, deployment of new tests etc. Offered to redeploy; ended with redundancy
achrn  
#11 Posted : 07 November 2012 14:41:51(UTC)
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achrn

rich777 wrote:
I seem to remember that if you are colour blind you cannot get a job on the railways as a signalman.
For Network Rail, there are lots of competence-specific medical fitness requirements, set out in standard NR/L2/OHS/00124. You need normal colour vision for any role requiring level 1, 2, 5 or 6 fitness, which includes people in charge of possessions, handsignaller, signaller, people running level crossings, various controllers, people working on communications equipment, etc. There are also requirements for visual acuity, hearing, and various odds-and-ends under 'general health' including for example medical conditions likely to cause sudden loss of consciousness. Personally, I just barely scrape through the hearing standard, and give it another five years and I'll probably be failing them.
Phil Grace  
#12 Posted : 07 November 2012 15:00:48(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Achrn, Thanks for that detail - useful to know. I'll have to file that ref number safely! Phil
mejacklin  
#13 Posted : 09 November 2012 13:24:08(UTC)
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mejacklin

artist, common occ health problem. what he needs is a trade test/actual risk assessment. Colour vision problems are a spectrum and there are various ways to test them (which the optician might comment on). In real life, colour vision problems may not be so noticeable. I have a bundle of 50+ cables and ask them to pick out different cables. Electrician covers a multitude of jobs so find out what cables he uses and check that he can pick them out safely (or not). Mark occ health doctor
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