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Does anyone have any information on glass blowing using a lathe.
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Thats the process exactly Ron. What worries me is it a breach of PUWER for no chuck guard. I cant seem to get a definitve answer.
Thank you, John
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I assume you are talking about Reg 11 - guarding of dangerous parts.
It may or may not be a breach of the regulation.
You would need to show that each step of the guarding hierarchy had been followed to the extent 'practicable' before going to the next lower level of protection.
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It is a pretty low speed, and the guy does have his hands (and mouth!) full. I could see how he might need pretty close access to both ends, any guard near that amount of heat is going to get VERY hot!
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That was a very interesting demonstration Ron, thanks for posting the video link.
The video was "time lapsed" here and there but I got the feeling the artist/operator was adjusting the speed of the lathe.
Is there a risk of an accidental speed increase in your process John? Resulting in hot glass from groin to gullet. Can a restraining bolt or lock be put on a lathe to firmly limit the speed? Never used one apart from a small wood lathe making a pen, so I don't know.
As for hot guards, make them out of insulators, they need to stop glass not metal???
More questions than answers, sorry bud.
Jeff
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Hi Jeff, Once the process has started its quite a constant low speed. I would tend to recomend a foot pedal working as a dead mans handle and also a review of a position of the emergency stops since the lathes used tend to be very old. Just still worried about a breach of PUWER rather than a real concern of ejection or entanglement. The heat is disapated with an extraction system that is not subject to COSHH since its just heat. However, i am making a recomendation of regular cleaning because a build up of dust in the system from the air will cause a fire hazard. Its an interesting process isnt it and im amazed there seems to be no guidance on it,
Regards,
John
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John Before recommending a 'foot' dead-man's handle, I suggest you watch your glassblowers in action and talk to them. If they need to move around while they are glass blowing, the idea may be dead in the water. You may make the situation for them more dangerous if they have to keep one foot still while hopping the other one around to get a good view or change the angle of application of the torch. They need to be able to keep their hands in very tight control, so any difficulty with their feet could cause considerable problems. They also have to work for extended periods to do a joint; keeping one foot very still would not be good from the ergonomic point of view.
From my recollection, I think the glassblower does need to move about a bit to observe and feed in heat from different angles. It is crucial that the lathe does not stop while they are glassblowing, because the workpiece would probably be destroyed (and workpieces tend to be expensive both in time and money).
I was taught glassblowing in the 60's, when we used asbestos string and asbestos paper! I did not graduate to using a lathe, but there was one in the workshop. I'm not surprised that there is no readily accessible guidance - it is a skilled and very specialist trade.
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Jane Blunt wrote:John I was taught glassblowing in the 60's, when we used asbestos string and asbestos paper! I did not graduate to using a lathe, but there was one in the workshop. I'm not surprised that there is no readily accessible guidance - it is a skilled and very specialist trade. Hi Jane Was this for artistic or scientific purposes? We had two glass blowers in our chemistry department at Uni for making apparatus. Jeff
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Scientific. The Chemistry Dept that I was in when learning glassblowing had two glassblowers (five year apprenticeship). The Physics Dept that I am in now used to have one (retired recently and not to be replaced).
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Start on test tubes then 5 years later knocking out 3 Kipp's apparatus an hour.
Our guys had a lot of coloured glass which I think they just used for making chess pieces if I am honest.
Coloured glass would normally mean lovely chromium orange etc was just wondering if you had run into COSHH risks due to glazes and colours that the OP may not have first thought of.
Potters are at risk from silicosis due to kiln dust and the dried clay was wondering if glass workers would ever get exposed to enough dust to be concern. Potters also work with many varied nasty toxic glazes, even though safer varieties are available.
Never had to research glass blowers but have done for potters.
Jst asking for the benefit of the OP and safety nerds everywhere.
Cheers
Jeff
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Its interesting how many of us have been involved is this quite specialist art.
i was at one time responsible (H&S) for Fisons Scientific Factory where we had nearly 20 glassblowers
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walker wrote:Its interesting how many of us have been involved is this quite specialist art.
i was at one time responsible (H&S) for Fisons Scientific Factory where we had nearly 20 glassblowers Not a dry seat in the canteen there then.
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jeff watt wrote:walker wrote:Its interesting how many of us have been involved is this quite specialist art.
i was at one time responsible (H&S) for Fisons Scientific Factory where we had nearly 20 glassblowers Not a dry seat in the canteen there then. I seem to remember most of them ate their sandwiches at their workstations; they were happier amongst the asbestos wool, asbestos dust and a big bottle of hydrofluoric acid. Ahh! the good old days!
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Hi James and everyone. Thank you for the support and supprsingly enough guess what they are making. Scientific equipment for labs. I will talk to the guys and have taken your comments on board about the foot pedal
Thank you
John
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