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stonecold  
#1 Posted : 10 October 2012 14:22:56(UTC)
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stonecold

If two seperate lots of scaffolding are erected at one location. E.g one at one end of an office building and one at the other end (the two lots of scaffolding are not joined) and are about 50 metres apart (the length of the buidling) would each separate set of scaffolding need its own scaff tag and inspection log or would one be ok to cover both installs? I would have thought they would have had to have one each as they are distinctly seperate installs but the scaffolding company who installed them said one tag would be ok to cover both as they were on the same building?
frankc  
#2 Posted : 10 October 2012 14:28:32(UTC)
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frankc

Two seperate scaffolds, two seperate scaff tags.
PH2  
#3 Posted : 10 October 2012 14:30:22(UTC)
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PH2

Hi, In my opinion they should supply and attach separate tags. If a defect is noted on one set of scaffolding during inspection it could easily be missed during the next inspection if there is any confusion about the locations / details. It should be easy enough to differentiate the locations e.g. north end of building & south end of building: scaffolding at entrance gate & scaffolding in car park etc.
stonecold  
#4 Posted : 10 October 2012 14:38:04(UTC)
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stonecold

thanks both, very helpful, I wont be fobbed off so easy next time :)
grim72  
#5 Posted : 10 October 2012 14:38:59(UTC)
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grim72

Yup deffo one for each set of scaffold. I've sent you a PM with info.
ADALE  
#6 Posted : 11 October 2012 10:38:17(UTC)
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ADALE

As a scaffolder from trade and having just completed the Diploma and having held advanced inspection qualifications as well as advanced scaffolding operatives card, it is definitely 2 separate structures, but in either case a scafftag is a visual aid and does not replace a statutory report. Keep your own back covered regarding this issue.A lot of sites don't allow scaff tags on this basis. Hope this helps
MrH&S  
#7 Posted : 11 October 2012 15:45:17(UTC)
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MrH&S

I totally Agree with ADALE, request 2 no scafftags for 1 for each scaffold structure. Also the scaffolding should be inspected on a weekly basis or after adverse weather, this should be recorded onto a specific form & a copy kept on site. Also you should have been givena handover cert for both scaffolds to state that they are erected to specific EN legislation Sorry cant remember the numbers & dont have time to look but have a look at HSE website for further info Hope this helps Mr H&S
ADALE  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2012 10:00:00(UTC)
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ADALE

BS EN 12811-1 for tube and fitting 12811 - 0 for system scaffolding I believe ;)
boblewis  
#9 Posted : 22 October 2012 12:41:39(UTC)
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boblewis

Just to re-emphasise Adale Scafftags are NOT a legal requirement but the register IS. Ensure your inspector is making an entry for each scaffold. Many try to use the scafftag as a menas of avoiding the register. Bob
roshqse  
#10 Posted : 23 October 2012 09:15:31(UTC)
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roshqse

I came across this once. Using scafftags as a 'record' I asked to see their register.. they soon 'found' one to present to me.! Needless they were blacklisted and not employed again.
Ally  
#11 Posted : 14 November 2012 10:47:20(UTC)
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Ally

Hi--Two stand alone structures= two seperate tags---simples!
JamesKennedy  
#12 Posted : 15 November 2012 07:51:18(UTC)
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JamesKennedy

Have to agree that the two sections of scaffolding must be approached as two separate structures.
davidjohn#1  
#13 Posted : 15 November 2012 21:40:30(UTC)
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davidjohn#1

ADALE wrote:
BS EN 12811-1 for tube and fitting 12811 - 0 for system scaffolding I believe ;)
Whats the difference between tube and fitting against system scaffolding please As long as the the hard copy records are done and kept why would you not also have the tags as a good practice for operatives to see it's ok to go on?
boblewis  
#14 Posted : 15 November 2012 22:32:20(UTC)
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boblewis

Davidjohn Tube and fitting are the ones you see most of in this country - The tubes and couplers are totally separate and you can make a joint anywhere along the tube. TG20 applies System Scaffolds have fixed locations on the tubes for jointing and use such a driven wedges or other special coupling arrangement. eg SGB Cuplock, Plettac BS EN 12811 applies. These systems have specially designed decking sections and bays cannot exceed 2m due to the design parameters etc. Bob
boblewis  
#15 Posted : 15 November 2012 22:41:29(UTC)
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boblewis

This is the link to the French Equivalent of BSI and you can download a copy of 12811-1 for free http://www.scafform.cn/Files/EN%2012811-1.pdf It is NOT a copyright breach. All of the member states are enabled to set their own prices and you can by from any state or download free if they provide it in a language you understand and read well. Bob
StuartGilkinson  
#16 Posted : 16 November 2012 08:46:16(UTC)
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StuartGilkinson

Hiya folks, does anyone happen to have a scaffold inspection sheet I could have a copy of please, we have the occasional scaffold erected in my organisation and I want to ensure that they fill out a copy that (a) is suitable and sufficinet and (b) so that I can retain it for the purpose of audit/inspection/investigation purposes? Thanks a lot - Stu: s.gilkinson@btinternet.com
boblewis  
#17 Posted : 16 November 2012 10:59:43(UTC)
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boblewis

Stuart Good start point http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/cis47.pdf Bob
02567  
#18 Posted : 16 November 2012 20:17:35(UTC)
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02567

Just to note. The purpose for which scaf tags are used, even if the scaffold was connected there should be a scaf tag posted at each ladder access point onto the scaffold allowing the scaffold user to identifying that it is fit for use. For example three ladder access points from three different locations onto the scaffold = 3 completed scaf tags.
MrH&S  
#19 Posted : 22 December 2012 10:20:50(UTC)
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MrH&S

Hi Bob, Your link http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/cis47.pdf seems to be out of date as this still states where a person can fall 2metre There is no 2 m rule anymore Just FYI Regards Mr H&S
JohnW  
#20 Posted : 22 December 2012 14:28:17(UTC)
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JohnW

MrH&S, yes it is out of date, not revised since WAH 2005, but it's source is HSE ! You could find several examples of HSE guidance notes that have not been updated e.g. several pre-CDM that still refer to regs from 1996. ..... and I have seen reputable scaffold companies with their handover certs and risk assessments just as out of date :o/
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