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jfw  
#1 Posted : 19 November 2012 23:28:54(UTC)
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jfw

While catching up with things over the weekend, read some coverage of the prosecution of Anna Ryder Richardson's husband, following an incident that happened at their zoo.

In the incident, members of the public were injured by a falling tree.

He has now pleaded guilty to breaches of section 2 and 3 of the HASAWA.

In this case I can see why they were linked, as employees were exposed to the same risk due to the failings of the H&S management system, (tree management system in this case), and therefore a failure in the duty of care to the employees.

The section 3 prosecution is obvious, as members of the public injured, but does a breach of section 3 automatically lead to a breach of section 2 ?

If there is a failure in the duty of care to protect non-employees, then surely employees will also have been exposed ?

Barnaby again  
#2 Posted : 20 November 2012 08:09:31(UTC)
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Barnaby again

No. Employees would not necessarily be exposed. For example the Section 3 breach may relate to the care of vulnerable adults or to teaching children. I've been involved in cases which were section 3 and not 2.
HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 20 November 2012 09:15:11(UTC)
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HSSnail

I agree with Barnaby not always the case that section 2 and 3 are linked. There may not be any employee's for example. Or you may have controls such as ppe for staff but be exposing none employees to the risk.
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 20 November 2012 12:52:24(UTC)
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Canopener

“..but does a breach of section 3 automatically lead to a breach of section 2 ?”

No, although we can assume that in this case (I am not familiar with the case by the way) that there were clear breaches of both, but it certainly doesn’t follow that a breach of S3 would ‘automatically’ lead to a breach of S2

“If there is a failure in the duty of care to protect non-employees, then surely employees will also have been exposed?”

No not necessarily. There will be some cases where the breach would have involved employees only, non employees only or both. There have certainly been any number of ‘stand alone’ S3 cases; haven’t there?

Could/would you turn this around and suggest that a S2 offence would also involve a S3 offence as well?
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