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Chris c  
#1 Posted : 22 November 2012 15:24:00(UTC)
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Chris c

Hers my question hope you can help. My Daughter gets a school bus to school every morning and evening which I pay for privately, but most mornings and evenings there is no seat available for her to sit on as she is one of the last people to get on the bus, the bus then has a 20 min journey to school most of this journey is on a fast duel carriageway and according to my daughter there can be several pupils standing up on this journey I have raised this with the school who decide which bus company they appoint and intern they say take it up with the bus company Thanks Chris
smitch  
#2 Posted : 22 November 2012 15:49:29(UTC)
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smitch

you have PM
David Bannister  
#3 Posted : 22 November 2012 16:15:56(UTC)
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David Bannister

Millions of commuters are in the same position. From 30mph or 60mph coming to a dead stop will cause both and sitting passengers serious damage.
Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 22 November 2012 22:56:34(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Standing is permitted. See: http://assets.dft.gov.uk...-passengers-on-buses.pdf The Legislation referenced therein is also available via the www. I spent many years commuting by rail and few were the days when I managed to get a seat there and back (and boy was that season ticket pricey). Your daughter is getting an early insight into the daily grind faced by many thousands. Maybe this will inspire her to set higher goals for educational achievement and career choice.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 23 November 2012 07:03:48(UTC)
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bob youel

if this is a private bus service then the information for public services does not apply - I feel that like all equipment for use at work the bus should be suitable for its purpose so again take this up with the school as it appears that they may only want to pay an amount as against what is really needed and they are controlling the situation so they have liabilities for this control
jwk  
#6 Posted : 23 November 2012 10:12:29(UTC)
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jwk

I'd suggest you ask to see the bus company's/owner's risk assessment for the transport of standing children. They do have a duty to protect their safety, and they should carry out a risk assessment on any significant hazard, John
Jake  
#7 Posted : 23 November 2012 10:47:42(UTC)
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Jake

ron hunter wrote:
Your daughter is getting an early insight into the daily grind faced by many thousands. Maybe this will inspire her to set higher goals for educational achievement and career choice.
Surely educational achievement / setting higher goals has no affect on if you'll be commuting by public transport? Thousands of high flying city professional will most likely commute into London!
jfw  
#8 Posted : 23 November 2012 11:19:57(UTC)
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jfw

Your local authority should have a code of practice covering the points you raised. Check with them to see what the policy is regarding seatbelts and standing. I easily found a document on the web for my authority. http://www.torfaen.gov.u...ort-Code-of-Practice.pdf
imwaldra  
#9 Posted : 23 November 2012 12:09:22(UTC)
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imwaldra

FYI, within the last couple of weeks an Aberdeenshire bus company driver operating under a contract to the local authority has been suspended as a result of taking 1 passenger above the bus seating number (to avoid an extra journey) and getting 2 children to share a seat and seatbelt for the first couple of miles along a quiet country road. This received local publicity because the Council has responded to a campaign by parents. etc. and require that all school bus drivers insist that their passengers use seatbelts. No publicity yet about the investigation, what risk assessments, if any, were reviewed, or the ultimate fate of the driver and/or the contract held by his employer (there had been previous complaints, but not about seat belts I think). It's interesting to learn about the different standards that are being applied - though of course the roads in each area vary as well, so maybe some are risk based?
Chris c  
#10 Posted : 23 November 2012 17:58:57(UTC)
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Chris c

Thanks everyone for your input just to clarify the school each year goes out to several bus companies to tender a price that’s as far as the school takes it , then we take a direct contract with the bus company at £430 for 10 months , expensive for a 20 min journey to school and back Thanks again Chris
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 23 November 2012 23:06:04(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

As I thought - your contract is with the bus company. My information at #4 is valid. A convenient body-swerve by the Education Authority!
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 23 November 2012 23:07:08(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I should add that the career path element was intended to be taken in light-hearted manner!
Clairel  
#13 Posted : 24 November 2012 09:00:40(UTC)
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Clairel

ron hunter wrote:
I should add that the career path element was intended to be taken in light-hearted manner!
Think it missed the mark Ron. I should add I have stood in first class all the way from London (despite having a pre-booked seat in the first class carriage). Public transport? Never use it. It's a disgrace. I sympathise over the kids school bus thing. I complained endlessly over the state of the buses my kids were being sent to school on. What does it take? A tragedy? Seat belts should be manadatory on school buses, even if privately run.
boblewis  
#14 Posted : 24 November 2012 11:29:25(UTC)
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boblewis

This is an interesting one as I understand the body that selects the provider is ultimately responsible under the Road Traffic Act for the safety of persons on the vehicle. I also understand that there is a responsibilitry on all school bus operators to ensure there is a seat for every child booked. You need to check the contract and T&Cs but there should be no exclusion clause on seating to allow standing passengers on school buses. Contact your LEA and complain that they have selected a company that is expecting a booked child to stand. If they do not act then I think it is local MP time. RoSPA have some good leaflets and you can contact them General Information: +44 (0)121 248 2000 Explain the issues and they do have specific expertise in this matter Bob
Chris c  
#15 Posted : 24 November 2012 12:59:15(UTC)
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Chris c

Thanks Bob some interesting information, I have pended an e mail and will be sending it later to day , lets see what sort of response of the bus company comes back with chris
boblewis  
#16 Posted : 25 November 2012 10:13:16(UTC)
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boblewis

Of course if there is an exclusion on seating/standing then one can ask the LEA/School why they accepted a tender from a company that will expect children to stand during transit. Either way this actually is probably an Unfair Contract with yourself as you are a private individual and it is the LEA/School setting the contract which you then pay. I personally would have thought it better for the negotiator to sign the contract and pay the monies and the parents then pay them pro rata with the number of children. A decent contract solicitor would probably make somebody at the Negotiator feel very uncomfortable. Are any monies paid by the operator to the school or LEA in any way shape or form - even charitable donations to a nominated charity? Cynic as always Bob
Chris c  
#17 Posted : 01 December 2012 14:26:02(UTC)
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Chris c

Hi All just to keep you posted I have sent a e mail to the bus company asking for there response and the risk assessment for pupil's standing on 28th of November and surprise surprise no reply to date I will keep you informed of there reply once I receive a reply I will be making a call on Monday Chris
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