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Victor Meldrew  
#1 Posted : 30 November 2012 13:06:21(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Hi All
Doing fire risk assessments for a major 'blue chip' company. They include an action plan for each area which porvides amongst other things an 'Action By' date. The client has asked me to substitute the 'action by' date for a high, medium or low risk identifcation for each action instead. I have provided a risk evaluation for each completed area of High, Medium or Low and felt suitable realistic 'action by' dates for each action by myself were the best way forward for them. Obviously the client wants some flexibility with dates. So, question, am I leaving myself open by not putting 'action by' dates and is high, medium or low suitable. Or should I stick with the status quo?
Kate  
#2 Posted : 30 November 2012 13:17:55(UTC)
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Kate

Presumably the actions will be carried out (or at least organised) by the client? Only they can know what resources they have available at what times to do this, so it seems right to me that they decide when to act based on your assessment of risk. I never put dates for actions on anything unless already agreed with the person who is responsible for the action - because how can I know whether the date is practical unless I've asked them?
Canopener  
#3 Posted : 30 November 2012 13:45:20(UTC)
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Canopener

I would tend to agree with Kate, and low, medium, high is the format that I tend to use. If I feel that something is a particular priority, I will highlight this and explain why.
bilbo  
#4 Posted : 30 November 2012 14:31:45(UTC)
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bilbo

I agree - though I also tend to add to the High , Med or Low an example of when action should be completed. For example: - High risk = Action started within 2 weeks (though you could make this reflect the seriousness of the high risk). Does that make sense?
LARRYL  
#5 Posted : 30 November 2012 15:48:42(UTC)
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LARRYL

We also use low, medium, or high risk but prioritise actions required from 1 to 4 - 1 being within 1 month, then 6 months, 12 months then long term improvements over 2 years, though to be honest we are at a level now where anything requiring doing would probably be a 1, perhaps new training maybe a 2 or a 3.
DP  
#6 Posted : 30 November 2012 16:03:34(UTC)
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DP

I use L M H with timescales - mine are in-house only and not for a client (important to note) - IMO, I feel that timescales are important especially for high risk matters - what if its immediate? Hover as I stated I have more control / influence over the actions being completed to justify the timescales being placed in the FRA.

From a consultants perspective - I have never been one 'I note again' but I would not be comfortable in not recommending timescales for control measures on risk I had identified.
NickH  
#7 Posted : 30 November 2012 17:09:13(UTC)
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NickH

Nothing inherently wrong with High, Medium, Low. However, how can you factor in review dates if there are no guidelines on action completion timescales?

In my opinion, (note the long hand there...), if the site were visited by a Fire and Rescue Service Officer and they asked to see the fire risk assessment; how would they be able to suitably quantify the actions?
DaisyMaisy  
#8 Posted : 30 November 2012 17:17:40(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

LARRYL wrote:
We also use low, medium, or high risk but prioritise actions required from 1 to 4 - 1 being within 1 month, then 6 months, 12 months then long term improvements over 2 years, though to be honest we are at a level now where anything requiring doing would probably be a 1, perhaps new training maybe a 2 or a 3.

i do the same as LARRYL
Victor Meldrew  
#9 Posted : 30 November 2012 22:43:39(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Very many thanks to all of you for the responses and advice and especially nickh re: 'quantify the actions'. So I've decided to stick with the current format. Each building / area has been given a High, Medium or Low risk rating and the actions prioritised with dates, according to their level of seriousness...... I think you can probably guess that the change request has come about as my FRAs have led to 'squeaky bum' time in terms of what I have 'discovered'.
bob youel  
#10 Posted : 03 December 2012 07:47:21(UTC)
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bob youel

U undertaking the exercise on your own? I would facilitate but not undertake the exercise alone as if U do everything there is no ownership etc. and U are exposed - such things should be team exercises
David Bannister  
#11 Posted : 03 December 2012 08:51:12(UTC)
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David Bannister

Agree Victor, your advice is for the recipients of your report to consider and decide upon. If they choose to adopt a different timeframe for implementation then their decision may need to be justified and their decision may be perfectly valid, as they will have access to additional data that may affect the decision.

Bob, sometimes we need to come to conclusions, make decisions and offer advice based on our own expertise. It is not always possible nor necessarily advisable to work as a committee. In those circumstances, yes, we may well be exposed to scrutiny. That's what many of us are employed to do, some for wages or salary, some for professional fees (and the latter will usually pay insurance companies to transfer some risk).
Victor Meldrew  
#12 Posted : 03 December 2012 19:38:14(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Thanks David & Bob - no not completely on my own, ownership is being taken on board with me being accompanied during the FRAs by area managers and a site person who is one of the 'fixers'. The conclusions are mine with a degree of consultation/communication/business understanding and dates very reasonable indeed and accepted by the majority - problem appears to have come from the individual who has let things lapse. Strangely enough all is calm and quiet today since my refusal to 'buckle'. Onwards and upwards it appears.
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