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Rob_Spindler  
#1 Posted : 10 December 2012 15:52:07(UTC)
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Rob_Spindler

I have noticed that we are having quite afew eye injuries at the moment. My Director has suggested that he wants to enforce that everyone has to wear safety glasses at all times. I'm not keen on the idea as I think some people will just use the safety glasses rather than the correct goggles when grinding for example.

Has anyone enforced the wearing of safety glasses at all times and how did it go?

Thanks

Rob
frankc  
#2 Posted : 10 December 2012 16:59:45(UTC)
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frankc

Rob_Spindler wrote:
I have noticed that we are having quite afew eye injuries at the moment.

Rob


Can you give us an idea of how the people are getting the eye injuries? Surely elimination should be the first step?
John J  
#3 Posted : 10 December 2012 18:31:49(UTC)
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John J

Frank,

We introduced a mandatory eye protection policy for all employees entering production areas or carrying out work with risk of eye injury. That was back around 1992. We went from an average of 65 eye injuries per year to 0.

It's not easy though. I've done a lot of work on improving compliance and a few things to consider are;

- Those wearing prescription glasses will need prescription safety glasses, over glasses are uncomfortable
- you need a wide selection and varied lenses including tints for forklift drivers going in and out of buildings
- you need to consider those who require reading lenses
- don't scrimp on styles, you want people to wear them
- make sure you consult with your employees, they are the ones wearing them
- put plenty of info out so people understand your thinking
- train people how to look after them, seems daft but simple things like using tissues or the wrong spray can damage them

John

frankc  
#4 Posted : 10 December 2012 21:49:10(UTC)
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frankc

John J wrote:
Frank,

We introduced a mandatory eye protection policy for all employees entering production areas or carrying out work with risk of eye injury. That was back around 1992. We went from an average of 65 eye injuries per year to 0.

John



With all due respect, John if you introduced a mandatory eye protection policy where people were carrying out work with a risk of eye injury, i'm not surprised the figures have come down. ;-)
The OP mentioned grinding tasks. I believe we need to know what people will be doing before we can give a definitive answer. Light eye protection won't necessarily help someone avoid an eye injury if they are walking past a person who is grinding.

John J  
#5 Posted : 10 December 2012 23:07:39(UTC)
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John J

frankc wrote:
John J wrote:
Frank,

We introduced a mandatory eye protection policy for all employees entering production areas or carrying out work with risk of eye injury. That was back around 1992. We went from an average of 65 eye injuries per year to 0.

John



With all due respect, John if you introduced a mandatory eye protection policy where people were carrying out work with a risk of eye injury, i'm not surprised the figures have come down. ;-)
The OP mentioned grinding tasks. I believe we need to know what people will be doing before we can give a definitive answer. Light eye protection won't necessarily help someone avoid an eye injury if they are walking past a person who is grinding.



It will protect the eyes but not the face
smith6720  
#6 Posted : 11 December 2012 09:57:34(UTC)
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smith6720

Have a careful think and ensure that you have considered all avenues before implementing mandatory glasses, as previous posters have said with this brings its on complications. Have a look at whats going on ,what does your statistics tell you? is there a particualr area or work activity that has shown an increses in eye injuries? if so try trial periods in these areas to see if there is any differnce to your recorded accidents. Re-evaluate your risk assessments, see if there is anything there that indicates that the work task, dictates they should be wearing glasses/goggles/visor, can screens/guards etc be installed. If only one small part of your work place requires then implement a mandatory glasse's zone.
Why should every one wear glasse's if only a small percentage is at risk.
Hutchison43088  
#7 Posted : 11 December 2012 11:00:11(UTC)
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Hutchison43088

Worked on some sites that had a blanket rule on safety glasses but more often than not they wouldn't be worn as people did not see the need. An example would be during a refurb, Principal Contractor would issue a blanket wearing them with hard hats and high vis even though on some floors the only work being carried out was painting the walls and laying new carpet tiles so the guys never wore them.

Remember there used to be some battles with various contractors and workers at the time.

The safety glasses I have I always get pulled up on them as they have a tint on them like sunglasses and are of a similar design to Oakley glasses.
Kim Hedges  
#8 Posted : 11 December 2012 13:16:20(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Thinking safety has become fairly normal today, but what was safe 15 years ago is now thought of as basic, perceptions continue to change.

For somebody in the past using a mobile grinding wheel / angle grinder -- I would expect a full visor now, not just goggles or glasses. In the engineering fixed location scenario, I would expect more rigorous control methods as standard.

A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 11 December 2012 13:23:34(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Rob_Spindler wrote:
I have noticed that we are having quite afew eye injuries at the moment. My Director has suggested that he wants to enforce that everyone has to wear safety glasses at all times. I'm not keen on the idea as I think some people will just use the safety glasses rather than the correct goggles when grinding for example.

Has anyone enforced the wearing of safety glasses at all times and how did it go?

Thanks

Rob

Are you talking about labs (it says education in your intro)?
We have a policy of eye protection in all labs unless there has a been a derogation based on a local risk assessment.
We also tell staff that safety glasses are not the end all and be all of eye protection and for some tasks we expect staff to use visors or screens.


Kim Hedges  
#10 Posted : 11 December 2012 13:44:32(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

I worked for a company 3 years ago, we had a mandatory policy of wearing safety spectacles all the time, over half the workforce wore glasses for driving or reading anyway, so it just meant that those people would get their specs made up to a CE standard as normal, all the other workers were offered a variety of glasses to wear - most chose Oakley types - mostly with a tint. Night working required clear specs obviously.

Basically, the company mantra was to ask the question, 'chicken or pasta'? The choice of meal on an aircraft taking you home.
SafetyGirl  
#11 Posted : 12 December 2012 20:49:49(UTC)
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SafetyGirl

Quick reply, but we stipulate a mandatory "eye protection" zone on the back deck of our vessels. However, grey area when working with riggers overseeing and working with huge structures being lifted at height using guide ropes to control a load in the middle of the North Sea in December (read: anytime). On the project I gave recs to make a dispentation against the "mandatory" requirement because the risk of actually seeing the load through rain tinted glasses against risk of projectiles (having conducted a DROPS survey), was outweighed with regards to risk proportion.

I'm hesitant to say this, because it banded about too often IMO, but its down to risk assessment of actual task.
CliveLowery  
#12 Posted : 13 December 2012 09:02:11(UTC)
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CliveLowery

Hi Rob,

We have a mandatory glasses policy on all our projects and have had for four years now, it was introduced because at the time 85% of our work was with Principal Contractors who had this policy in place and we wanted to standardise it across the whole company.

Initially it was difficult to enforce - partly down to a previous decision to purchase the cheapest eye protection money can buy (not mine!!) and partly because of the inherent British resistance to change!

2 years ago as part of my review of H & S within the organisation I highlighted the recurring theme from site inspections of non compliance with eye protection and hand protection. We then invited a PPE supplier in and went through what our problems were and invited him to recommend suitable alternatives to what we were using. We had various types on trial for 6 weeks and all taking part in the trial were given questionnaires to complete every week. At the end of the six weeks we selected what we believe to be the best and most suitable - not necessarily the cheapest but not the most expensive either.

The decision has paid dividends as the gloves have a cut protection factor of 3 or 5 depending on the task and last for at least a month compared to a week at best for the cheapies. The glasses are a lot more adjustable and are available in clear, smoked or amber lenses. We still get the odd few operatives who always seem to be cleaning their glasses when seen by management but generally the wearing of glasses and gloves has improved dramatically and the overall annual PPE spend has gone down.

As previous posters have mentioned you will need to glass cleaning stations and training - there is a right and a wrong way to clean glasses and light eye protection is not suitable for all tasks.

Over the years I think this has been the most difficult policy to enforce, we have seen a reduction in our minor eye injury rates and with not many working days left we have not had a single eye injury or cut hand to date this year. We are a dry lining and ceiling contractor so most of our work is above head height and involves the use of Stanley knives and the handling of metal - often with sharp edges.

If you want to know the supplier drop me a PM they do next day FOC delivery and prices are competitive.


Regards

Clive
Clairel  
#13 Posted : 13 December 2012 14:33:32(UTC)
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Clairel

I hate blanket policies. Lazy H&S in my opinion.
smith6720  
#14 Posted : 13 December 2012 14:41:29(UTC)
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smith6720

Claire could not agree more just because 85% of your clients insist on it does not make it good health and safety, use your risk assessments they will tell you if glassess are required, obviously for larger orgnisations who insist on glassess, this is an easy option for them, as they think it gives the perception they are a safer site than that of a site that use's the common sense approach. "RISK ASSESSMENT"
walker  
#15 Posted : 13 December 2012 15:04:29(UTC)
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walker

I'm very grateful for a blanket eye wear Policy - I'm fairly convinced it saved my sight (from flying window glass shards) and that of quite a few others.

Might be way before your time, but you might google : Corn flour explosion Banbury

John J  
#16 Posted : 13 December 2012 19:37:00(UTC)
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John J

Clairel wrote:
I hate blanket policies. Lazy H&S in my opinion.


Depends how you come to the conclusion that its needed Claire.
As I said ours came about following a lot of investigation and a comprehensive risk assessment.

On the other side of the coin I have done a lot of work to dispel the 'one glove does all' myth present in many workplaces. I even invested in an interesting tome by one of this forums regular contributors to increase my understanding. Reading that can hardly be described as lazy, it was hard going*



*joking Chris
RayRapp  
#17 Posted : 14 December 2012 23:21:27(UTC)
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RayRapp

I'm with Claire on this one. The vogue now seems to be mandatory everything and the principles enshrined in MHSWR 3. - risk assessment, have flown out of the window. I have worked on sites where there is as much chance of getting some grit in your eye as there is walking down Oxford Street. If we cannot be sensible and proportionate about these matters then we will lose all respect from the workforce.
David68  
#18 Posted : 15 December 2012 15:17:21(UTC)
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David68

My predecessor implemented a policy that safety glasses were to be worn at all times on the factory floor including good in, packing and inspection.

I have spent over a year trying to convince my boss that this mandatory policy is over the top. If risk assessments identify the need then that is one thing, but a general policy is, as others have said, being lazy

cheifinspector  
#19 Posted : 17 December 2012 10:14:52(UTC)
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cheifinspector

I have to say that in most of my working life (Oil & Gas industry) the vast majority of companies enforce the wearing of glasses in workshop or yard areas. The main problem i found with having some areas where glasses are mandatory and others are not, was that employees would walk from one area to another without putting their glasses back on.

There was resistance at first but over time everybody came to accept the new ruling. Whether its right/wrong, good/bad or lazy, there have been no eye incidents since.
A Kurdziel  
#20 Posted : 17 December 2012 10:24:30(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

cheifinspector wrote:
I have to say that in most of my working life (Oil & Gas industry) the vast majority of companies enforce the wearing of glasses in workshop or yard areas. The main problem i found with having some areas where glasses are mandatory and others are not, was that employees would walk from one area to another without putting their glasses back on.

There was resistance at first but over time everybody came to accept the new ruling. Whether its right/wrong, good/bad or lazy, there have been no eye incidents since.

This was essentially our problem in the labs. Although people knew that some tasks in some labs required eye protection some of the time, getting staff to remember to put on glasses at some times and then being allowed to take them off at others has caused all sorts of problems. All too often the line we get was ‘Yes I knew I was supposed to be wearing glasses but I forgot to put them on!’
So it is a sort of blanket rule but I’d rather do that than miss people.
Pattinson20385  
#21 Posted : 17 December 2012 13:59:35(UTC)
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Pattinson20385

Like many others I also believe that the use and type of eye protection used in the working environment is wholly dependant on risk assessment.

I have worked in construction for 30yrs and have seen many mandatory policies and yes have experienced those that wouldn't wear LEP or any other eye protection unless forced and had to pick up the pieces and tell people they cannot work until recovered following eye injuries.

In today's working environment with the equipment available in most cases, a thorough risk assessment should be conducted for the overarching site and then for every work activity to determine the type and regime for eye and any other form of protection, bearing in mind that PPE in any form is last resort and not the first or the easy option.

At one point we supplied operatives with waist bags to carry eye and hand protection used for 80% of their work and when RA identified other or higher levels of protection it was recorded in the RA supplied and the supervisor was responsible to ensure operatives followed the risk assessment.

Unfortunately occasionally these situations need to be managed and HR involved.
SP900308  
#22 Posted : 17 December 2012 14:07:45(UTC)
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SP900308

Rob,
'I have noticed that we are having quite afew eye injuries at the moment. My Director has suggested that he wants to enforce that everyone has to wear safety glasses at all times.'

.....even to bed?

On a serious note, will you also be providing 'over-specs' for those spectacle wearers amongst us? Seems to be an oversight (excuse the pun) on a few sites I've been on where this has been followed!
RayRapp  
#23 Posted : 17 December 2012 17:02:16(UTC)
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RayRapp

Overspecks are not very practical to wear for any decent length of time, prescription safety glasses are the better option and at less £100 not that expensive. Some organisations allow those who wear spectacles to use them as LEP. The downside is that they do not protect from a side on angle.

Another issue is plant operators. Some machines are fully enclosed and therefore there is no point in wearing LEP, however they need to walk to site to access their vehicles...just another irksome issue.
John J  
#24 Posted : 17 December 2012 17:59:07(UTC)
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John J

RayRapp wrote:
Overspecks are not very practical to wear for any decent length of time, prescription safety glasses are the better option and at less £100 not that expensive. Some organisations allow those who wear spectacles to use them as LEP. The downside is that they do not protect from a side on angle.

Another issue is plant operators. Some machines are fully enclosed and therefore there is no point in wearing LEP, however they need to walk to site to access their vehicles...just another irksome issue.



Ordinary prescription glasses are not a suitable substitute for Light Eye Protection. In fact they will greatly increase the extent of an injury if struck by an object.

If you are introducing any requirement for LEP you need to cost prescription eyewear as part of it. Over glasses are only suitable for short duration as they are very uncomfortable.

SP900308  
#25 Posted : 17 December 2012 19:20:13(UTC)
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SP900308

John, Ray,

The scenario I speak of is:
A site visitor (spectacle wearer) attends site (Client / Architect etc), they're not going to have / be provided prescription glasses, but they're also unlikely to have / get 'over-specs' provided by the PC!

If the Client's / Architect's risk assessments states... 'no significant risk of eye injury' but the PC has a blanket policy for safety specs then what??

Relaxed policy? or Client / Architect refused entry...unlikely!

In my experience PCs with blanket safety spec policies provide safety specs and not 'over-specs'
RayRapp  
#26 Posted : 17 December 2012 19:37:45(UTC)
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RayRapp

SP

Agreed, it's yet another issue with the LEP mandatory requirement. Some PCs do provide overglasses whilst others don't.
Zimmy  
#27 Posted : 17 December 2012 19:45:56(UTC)
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Zimmy

I have a problem that others may well have. I wear two hearing aids and glasses. The over glasses are a pain as I've not got any more room on my ears.... stop laughing.... I use (when needed) a hard hat with visor and if in the workshop the a visor with head strap.

Rob
RayRapp  
#28 Posted : 17 December 2012 20:05:08(UTC)
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RayRapp

zimmy, good job you've still got your ears mate. :)
Zimmy  
#29 Posted : 17 December 2012 20:15:55(UTC)
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Zimmy

I'm ok as long as it's not windy Ray :-)
I'm starting to look like a wing-nut
John J  
#30 Posted : 17 December 2012 21:48:05(UTC)
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John J

SP900308 wrote:
John, Ray,

The scenario I speak of is:
A site visitor (spectacle wearer) attends site (Client / Architect etc), they're not going to have / be provided prescription glasses, but they're also unlikely to have / get 'over-specs' provided by the PC!

If the Client's / Architect's risk assessments states... 'no significant risk of eye injury' but the PC has a blanket policy for safety specs then what??

Relaxed policy? or Client / Architect refused entry...unlikely!

In my experience PCs with blanket safety spec policies provide safety specs and not 'over-specs'


Ah, I'm with you know. To be honest if the site manager can't plan for the fact that he's likely to have visitors who wear glasses and need overspecs I don't hold out much hope for other areas of site management.
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