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Garfield Esq  
#1 Posted : 19 December 2012 07:33:16(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

One of our UK Bases is to be refurbished over a three month period. The work includes general upgrades to electrical, plumbing and heating systems as well as windows, alarms and welfare, offices areas etc. The work is to be phased over a 3 month period, and there is no significant 'building work' being carried out. rather upgrade of existing footprint. I am not a construction specialist, however I think that this type of work does come under CDM 2007 and in particular is notifiable. The PC claims LA Planning is happy for it not to be classified as such and therefore no F10 or CDM-C required. I am out of the country at present, however I am sure this is not correct, although not 100%. What do you think, any CDM gurus out there?
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 19 December 2012 07:50:17(UTC)
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bob youel

What do you mean by the LA? as planning and building regs people are not interested in CDM in my experience of over 1000's of jobs for LA's so CDM has nothing to do with the LA via those areas If the LA is the client that is different as they have a duty to comply with the law noting that in my experience LA's want things cheap and construction companies want things easy so many a time CDMC's etc. are not involved when they should be Its all down to the 30 day/500 hour parameters of the work as if the parameters fit then its Notifiable irrespective of politics etc.
Garfield Esq  
#3 Posted : 19 December 2012 08:35:11(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

bob youel wrote:
What do you mean by the LA? as planning and building regs people are not interested in CDM in my experience of over 1000's of jobs for LA's so CDM has nothing to do with the LA via those areas If the LA is the client that is different as they have a duty to comply with the law noting that in my experience LA's want things cheap and construction companies want things easy so many a time CDMC's etc. are not involved when they should be Its all down to the 30 day/500 hour parameters of the work as if the parameters fit then its Notifiable irrespective of politics etc.
Thank Bob. LA = Local Authority Building Control and they do appear to be interested. To clarify. Refurb is classed as construction?
Stedman  
#4 Posted : 19 December 2012 10:03:57(UTC)
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Stedman

Garfield, From the limited information that you have provided, it very much sounds as though this is a notifiable CDM project and there should have been a CDM-C appointed. Forget the Building Inspector or the Principal Contractor; what has the Designer done in terms of meeting their duties under Regulation 11 and have they actually advised the Client about their duties under the CDM Regulations? Arguably the design should not have progressed beyond any initial design work without a CDM-C! If you download a copy of the ACOP from http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/l144.htm, all your answers are there!
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