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Joebaxil  
#1 Posted : 30 December 2012 19:48:43(UTC)
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Joebaxil

Hi All I am looking for some pointers , we have contractors installing floor grating for walkways ( steel erection ) job I know the floor level they are at is 4.5 meters so if the temporary lifeline cable is at 6.4 meters. with lanyard length + deceleration + deflection this is still way insufficient ? OR Does there not have to be fall arrest and just use a 2 meter lanyard without arrest block surely not ? they have issued their RAMS with no dynamic forces, no deflection distances and quite simply i will not approve what they have proposed. But would just like some clarification or some advise thanks j
frankc  
#2 Posted : 01 January 2013 15:12:13(UTC)
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frankc

Joe, when you say 'arrest block' do you mean an inertia reel block or the fall arrest block on the lanyard? Option 1 is not high enough if they are using a fall arrest lanyard as it extends to around 1.7m and option 2 is a non starter. If you can't eliminate the chance of a fall, then you must use fall arrest. Look at the possibility of using inertia reels attached directly to the back of the harness as opposed to the lanyard.
boblewis  
#3 Posted : 01 January 2013 19:02:26(UTC)
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boblewis

joebaxil I would be very careful about using a temporary line fixed horizontally in any fall arrest situation, fall restraint maybe! The forces are really very difficult to determine and the SWL can be rapidly exceeded. Even the fixed permanent line systems are designed for restraint. Inertia reel blocks need to be attached to a solid and not flexible structure. I doubt that the correct method of work is being used here and I would be looking for a change in this Bob
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 01 January 2013 19:41:27(UTC)
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RayRapp

Joe, further to the two previous postings, in the hierarchy of working at height fall restraint is preferred over personal fall arrest, however it may not be practical to use either method and hence you may have to consider the tertiary method - collective fall arrest systems ie netting, air bags or crash decks. I would also add that a competent contractor should be able to decide which is the safest method for the job. Some while back I refused to allow contractors to work on a roof (40ft pitched) because their method statement did not properly reflect the risks and controls associated with the work. The contract was re-tendered. Like you I am not convinced the method they have suggested is safe, for fall restraint the anchorage point must be fixed above head height. There is a safe ratio for all arrest but for the life of me I cannot remember what it is - tricky stuff this W@H!
frankc  
#5 Posted : 01 January 2013 20:31:48(UTC)
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frankc

Like Bob said, you do have to be careful with running lines but they can and are used as the inertia slides along the running line and keeps the block directly above the persons head - thus avoiding the pendulum effect. One thing i'll wager they haven't mentioned, Joe. A rescue plan. Give us some more info mate.
frankc  
#6 Posted : 01 January 2013 20:46:39(UTC)
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frankc

RayRapp wrote:
There is a safe ratio for all arrest but for the life of me I cannot remember what it is -
This is from leading edge safety, Ray. As a Guide when using 2M length lanyards the fall distance required (to provide adequate clearance to the fallen operative) is 5.2M when attached above head height, 5.75M when connected at shoulder height and 6.75M when attached at foot level. Read more: http://www.leadingedgesa...nyards.php#ixzz2Gl7EwlRO
roshqse  
#7 Posted : 02 January 2013 11:38:10(UTC)
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roshqse

RayRapp wrote:
...for fall restraint the anchorage point must be fixed above head height. ...
Do you mean for fall arrest? And I would suggest that is the ideal situation, it CAN be below head height but should be INLINE with the head to avoid the pendulum action in event of a fall. (e.g A safety line could pass over the ridge of a roof to the anchor on the other side, the point of motion would be over the persons head at the ridge. Problem arises when they cross to other side of the ridge! Which I've witnessed would you believe???)
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