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I'm looking for some health and safety training for a chap we have who is effectively the facilities management department at one of our offices, though that is only one part of his job (he's also the HR department, among other things). It is an office environment - so generally a typically 'safe' place to work. His background is more office admin and HR-ish than FM, however.
He is not supposed to be hands-on maintenance (in that, for example, if some plumbing leaks he's supposed to arrange a plumber rather than get stuck in with the spanners) but I expect he does the odd thing (tightening glands if a tap weeps sort of stuff), and he does change light bulbs.
I want to find some H&S training for him, which would be more than a basic manual handling / slips trips and falls / workstation assessments induction-type thing we give to all office people. Ideally it would cover the fact that he does (potentially) take himself to the plant room, and has access to the building roof and so on.
The driver to this is that we discovered that at one site someone was occasionally climbing through a skylight onto a roof to unjam another skylight that was supposedly automatic. This discovery caused some horror at board level - management (and everyone on the H&S side of things) were oblivious that this was going on. I remain astonished that anyone would be so crazy as to be doing that, but he thought he was being helpful. That in turn leads to the decision that we need something to try and ensure that no-one else was doing anything similar at any other site, and this particular person was identified as needing something.
I can find some courses advertised on the web that are actually 'Managing Safely' dressed up with a slight FM bias, but actually I think a 3-to-5-day course is overkill, and chunks of it are not really what he needs (he isn't managing people). Does anyone know a course that fits this? The site is in South London, so we'd be looking for something in London or that area.
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How about the NEBOSH Award in H&S at Work? I've heard some good reports from Facility Managers. A lot of it seems to be focussed on risk assessment which would certainly benefit anyone in the position of 'trying to be helpful'.
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NEBOSH general gives a good overview
2 week course which can be broken into day release and will give him a lot of knowledge for H&S and ensure he has the ability to look after sub-contractors when on site or does somebody else look after them as he does not manage anybody
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I agree with Alan; the NEBOSH certificate - although the construction version may be more appropriate depending on the nature of the business
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Get an outside consultant trainer to deliver your bespoke needs - based on 'Managing Safely' as unless his job requirements are to change significantly then I feel, with what you have said, then the training I have indicated is what is needed as I find that a problem with many 'official ' courses is that they are bulked out where the bulk is not needed in many cases
All that said we would need more bespoke info about his job to give more detailed advice as its sounds like a person who is an office job-all [no disrespect meant as job-alls are very good people to have] at this moment in time with no real clarity
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Thanks for the suggestions.
I think NEBOSH certificate is overkill - H&S is not his field (and he doesn't want it to be). I'm not looking to create (or start on the path to) another H&S professional, I'm looking to make sure someone doesn't climb out onto a window-sill to try and fix a light fitting (or something similar).
His job is slightly more defined than 'job-all', but it is flexible and potentially-expanding - he is mainly HR administrative tasks but also picks up the FM stuff where needed.
The NEBOSH award is a possibility - but I need to do a moderate amount of 'selling' it to him because even that looks like we want him to take on H&S, which is not what he (or we) want. I suspect I'm looking for something that doesn't exist - I probably want a 'Working Safely' plus, but was hopeful that there might be something suitable already existing.
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Nothing new to add re training, but a comment on how "interesting" human behaviour can be!
The (clearly to myself) hazardous activities people will undertake when trying to be helpful or not being aware of the hazard always astonishes me, but I guess we are biased / conditioned due to our training and experience.
We had a contractor who decided, off his own back, to enter a roof space and climb through the boarded walkway barriers and across the roof beams to clean an area of unreachable roof space (with a false ceiling below and no safe means of access etc.).
When interviewed, he genuinely thought he was doing us a favour and didn't perceive the access route to be hazardous!
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Jake wrote:
When interviewed, he genuinely thought he was doing us a favour and didn't perceive the access route to be hazardous!
Exactly. Our chap clearly thought climbing through a skylight (I'm not sure what he was using to access the skylight in question) and pushing the open skylight closed was doing everyone a favour. It's right at the edge of a flat roof which has a six inch upstand round it, and a five storey vertical drop to a concrete slab.
It came to light only because he got wet doing it when it was [expletive deleted]ing with rain.
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achrn wrote:
It came to light only because he got wet doing it when it was [expletive deleted]ing with rain.
Gosh, '[expletive deleted]ing with rain' is an expletive! Is 'peeing with rain' allowed, I wonder?
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