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DaisyMaisy  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2013 17:08:20(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

Hi All - we are currently having a large (320,000sq ft) warehouse with extensive racking - we are about 20% of the way through as the warehouse will be extensively fitted. During my first visit to this site (only started Wednesday), the project manager and the manager of the racking company are allowing vehicles to park and stay parked within the warehouse during the day. They are currently not in the way as such as the warehouse is large but - is this normal? IMO I would agree they may need close access to unload but is there any reason why they should stay on site? Especially if, as \I noticed today a diesel can and funnel was placed in the area for refilling a vehicle clearly - I am going through my findings with the management with my urgent recommendations but would appreciate feed back
johnmurray  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2013 17:34:31(UTC)
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johnmurray

I don't suppose they have an on-site supply of rebated diesel ? ;-)
John M  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2013 19:04:23(UTC)
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John M

If I were you I would be very careful how you deal with your "findings" and urgent recommendations so soon after taking up the position. - you might get your marching orders by the end of the week. Jon
Zimmy  
#4 Posted : 07 January 2013 20:10:53(UTC)
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Zimmy

Like John M, I would go for the softly softly approach here Daisy (not the normal Zimmy way I grant you). Just point out the re-fueling is not a good plan (Need an RA for that as you know) and that Diesel fumes cause cancer and ... well you know the rest. But don't whatever you do 'let it go in hard as per zimmy style' :-) They will like you and respect you more.
pete48  
#5 Posted : 07 January 2013 20:58:01(UTC)
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pete48

DaisyMaisy wrote:
the manager of the racking company are allowing vehicles to park and stay parked within the warehouse during the day. They are currently not in the way as such as the warehouse is large but............ a diesel can and funnel was placed in the area for refilling a vehicle clearly
Daisy, Why are you so concerned about vehicles inside? You say it is a large area and they are out of the way. Why have you assumed that a fuel can and funnel is for re-fuelling a vehicle? Why would they need to re-fuel the vehicles in situ? Are there no other reasons why they might need a small supply of fuel on site? Are you sure it is diesel? If so why would you be so concerned about a small amount of diesel? Have you asked the local mgmt why it is there and what it is used for and how it is used? I would tread carefully on this one. What you outline doesn't seem that unusual to me albeit that I cannot know the exact circumstances. A bit of talking to gain a mutual understanding with the local mgmt be the best way forward rather than "urgent recommendations". p48
Chris c  
#6 Posted : 07 January 2013 21:00:24(UTC)
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Chris c

Daisy maisy Is there enough room outside the warehouse for the contractors to park if so I would suggest that they can take there vehicles in first thing in the morning to unload but then remove them to a area outside the warehouse. thus reducing fumes and the risk of people coming into contact with and vehicles plant as there is ever only one winner when this happens , if they still insist I would suggest a segregated fenced off parking area with a current site traffic management plan detailing segregated pedestrian walk areas , hope this helps just one last thought are they using the vehicles at break time, is there adequate welfare providedon site to prevent them using their vehicles Chris
John M  
#7 Posted : 07 January 2013 21:07:58(UTC)
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John M

A COSHH risk assessment on the actual contents of the fuel can might just reveal something else! Be careful gal - contractors are a rum lot!! Jon
NLivesey  
#8 Posted : 08 January 2013 08:04:49(UTC)
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NLivesey

I'm with the rest of the gang when it comes to how this should be handled. There's times where you will need to dive in and 'stop the job' but not many, and definitely not in this case. Regardless of your experience you need to have the confidence to ask some simple questions when on site. What you see may (and it is may) have already been considered but you'll only know for sure when you ask. If they've not given it consideration then ask if they're aware of the risks and ask how they would manage them to prevent an accident or exposure to something that can cause ill health. Given the size of the warehouse and from what you've posted I'd suggest that the one thing that doesn't sit right is the fuel. You need to ask what the fuel is being used for and from the answer consider if some action should be taken to mitgate spills and deal with fire. The fact that a funnel was present could be considered a good thing as they're not sloshing fuel around when filling. Always remember that a quiet word goes a long way and bear in mind that we help manage and understand risk for our employers. Also remember that you're a representative of your employer and in a position where you should be able to manage certain situations without raising to a higher level. Always let them know what you've found but be sure to demonstrate you can manage a situation there and then whilst still letting the job get done (albeit safely). With that in mind go back to basics, identify the hazards, assess the likelihood and severity and then reasonably look at what should be done. Discuss with the staff on site and discuss with the contractor management, then agree a reasoned course of action.
alan w houghton  
#9 Posted : 08 January 2013 08:37:09(UTC)
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alan w houghton

I would just check what insurance cover the wherehouse has, some insurance will only allow diesel (due to fork trucks) and any petrol vehicles will not be covered, thus nothing is covered Soon find the cars will park outside if they know the insurance does not cover both the wharehouse and vehicles Alan
alan w houghton  
#10 Posted : 08 January 2013 08:38:27(UTC)
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alan w houghton

I know I should of spell checked warehouse spelt wrong twice
DaisyMaisy  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2013 08:51:18(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

Thanks all for your input - I have no intention of upsetting them of course! But just wanted to know if - as the project manager advised, it really is NORMAL for vehicles to park on site. I have all the necessary info in place but was just keen to know your input. thanks all
Heather Collins  
#12 Posted : 08 January 2013 11:09:11(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Daisy Provided the vehicle engines aren't left running or being driven around inside the warehouse other than to park them initially I would consider this relatively normal for a project like this.
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