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kingofdarkness  
#1 Posted : 11 January 2013 08:56:04(UTC)
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kingofdarkness

Hi Everyone, I place very few posts, but do follow also look to see what topics are being discussed, i have a question, there are a lot of companys changing over to tablets from laptops, has anyone produce a risk assessments for this. I am aware that the DSE regs are a little behind the times (1992) also i kinow in pricinple the risk assessment will be the same as for any DSe equipment, but just wanted to get some feed back from other members who made have already come across this item before. regards to all
KieranD  
#2 Posted : 11 January 2013 09:14:52(UTC)
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KieranD

As tablets are one form of display screen equipment, obviously the DSE Regs 1992, as amended 2004, apply. HSE commissioned System Concepts to produce a research report which you can download free of charge from www.hse.gov.uk. An ergonomics lecturer at University College, London, Rachel Benedyk, has also done some good work on the risks arising - to students if I recall rightly- using tablets. Probably the most reader-friendly account of the risks arising from using tablets is 'Bodyspace' by the eminent ergonomist Stephen Pheasant: both the 1996 and the 2003 edition (co-written with Christine Haslegrave) explain the host of biomechanical, physiological and anatomical sources of risks arising from postural strain and repetitive movements of upper limbs that can arise when you use a tablet (or a smartphone for that matter).
Safety Smurf  
#3 Posted : 11 January 2013 09:17:38(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

kingofdarkness wrote:
"there are a lot of companys changing over to tablets from laptops"
I occasionally use a tablet, but for no more than checking my emails during meal or coffee breaks whilst out on the road. I also have a laptop which I use for running presentations on when I'm teaching and working in the evening when I'm away (neither provided by my employer I might add). I will put my hand up and say I haven't done a formal risk assessment on the use of either, but then I spend more time on both of them doing personal things than I do work. I know that use of tablets has increased but are they really replacing laptops or is that just a perception? Manufacturers and IT departments might like that to happen but is it actually happening?
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 11 January 2013 09:53:48(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

My issue is with managers using blackberries to email each other at all hours of the day and night. I am waiting for someone to be off sick with ’texter’s thumb’.
KieranD  
#5 Posted : 11 January 2013 10:23:19(UTC)
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KieranD

The thumb (and finger) injury to which A Kurziel refers has been a reported source of clinical disorders in the USA. Quite rightly, the HSE waits for substantial accumulated evidence before offering any authoritative guidance. Yet, as Pheasant's book illustrates, the long-term damage through mal-adaptive postures is already foreseeable.
jay  
#6 Posted : 11 January 2013 10:33:31(UTC)
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jay

This is an extract from a BBC news item last year with the headline, ”Smartphone users ‘risking health’ with overuse of device” People are risking their health by working on smartphones, tablets and laptops after they have left the office, according to the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy. It says people have become "screen slaves" and are often working while commuting or after they get home. The society said poor posture in these environments could lead to back and neck pain……….. ………………………. The chairwoman of the Chartered Society of Physiotherapy, Dr Helena Johnson, said the findings were of "huge concern". She said: "While doing a bit of extra work at home may seem like a good short-term fix, if it becomes a regular part of your evening routine then it can lead to problems such as back and neck pain, as well as stress-related illness. "This is especially the case if you're using hand-held devices and not thinking about your posture. Talk to your employer if you are feeling under pressure……….. Source and detailed news item:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18490433 These issues are not only restricted to smartphones , but a Harvard study, as reported by LA times finds the iPads can be a pain in the neck http://latimesblogs.lati...ers-ergonomics-ipad.html The original study article is at:- http://iospress.metapres...02xv6211041/fulltext.pdf The conclusion of the study was that:- The use of media tablet computers is associated with high head and neck flexion postures, especially compared to those for typical desktop computing scenarios. These postures are affected by the type of case used to support the tablets as well as the location of the device (e.g. lap vs table). These data suggest that head and neck posture can be improved through case designs that allow for optimal viewing angles and elevating the device and avoiding lap-level locations. These data are valuable for manufacturers to design future products that promote more neutral postures and increase the comfort of users. Results from these studies will be useful for updating ergonomic computing standards and guidelines, which are imminently needed as companies and health care providers weigh options to implement wide-scale adoption of tablet computers for business operations. i-pad stand solutions from Posturite:- http://www.posturite.co....pad-stand-solutions.html Please note that I have no connection with the supplier, but have researched this topic !
Safety Smurf  
#7 Posted : 11 January 2013 13:42:20(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

It's slightly off topic but it's Friday and I have to share this with you. We train our store managers in H&S management, learning is then validated by means of an exam. In one of the papers, there is a question asking; "List five different contents you would expect to find in a first aid kit at work". On a paper I was marking earlier this week someone had actually put 'I-Pad'! On a seperate note, the word 'different' was introduced to the question after the first time the paper was used and someone answered; "four large dressings and a sling"
Gunner1  
#8 Posted : 11 January 2013 14:56:05(UTC)
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Gunner1

Safety Smurf wrote:
It's slightly off topic but it's Friday and I have to share this with you. We train our store managers in H&S management, learning is then validated by means of an exam. In one of the papers, there is a question asking; "List five different contents you would expect to find in a first aid kit at work". On a paper I was marking earlier this week someone had actually put 'I-Pad'! On a seperate note, the word 'different' was introduced to the question after the first time the paper was used and someone answered; "four large dressings and a sling"
You could'nt make it up! Mind, I note these were managers which is abit of a worry - or maybe not. I assume the answer was marked as wrong?
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 11 January 2013 14:57:49(UTC)
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teh_boy

My tablet is an old skool Xoom (but I did get it on the day it came out) I dock it if I want to use it for more than a few minutes - isn't this the same principles as laptops??? Mine has HDMI out - connect to Monitor with that (unless you're an apple slave) - or if you're posh use wifi and use Screen push or DNLA (again harder on an apple product) Bluetooth (or wifi) to a wireless desktop and we have - wait for it... a desktop :) Jobs a goodun, risk assess as normal... The new Microsoft tablets come with a keyboard on the case - but this does meet with the DSE regs as it's not adjustable, again these can be docked properly. @Safety Smurf Give it a few years and all screens will be touch screens and removable from the base - your laptop will be a dock for your tablet in effect, you'll then doc your laptop at your desk.... hmmmm (oh and some tablets are now just a dock for your phone!!! Where will it end?) So the end point - sensible risk assessment - the DSE regs can apply, go buy some extra bits! (at large expense if your staff use ipads :) )
teh_boy  
#10 Posted : 11 January 2013 15:00:49(UTC)
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teh_boy

I just had an interesting thought! I read alot on my tablet - it makes my arm ache... but so does the hardback book I'm reading! Would anyone have risked assessed reading a text book?
Gunner1  
#11 Posted : 11 January 2013 15:05:23(UTC)
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Gunner1

teh_boy wrote:
I just had an interesting thought! I read alot on my tablet - it makes my arm ache... but so does the hardback book I'm reading! Would anyone have risked assessed reading a text book?
Don't give people idea's! It just might happen!
teh_boy  
#12 Posted : 11 January 2013 15:08:00(UTC)
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teh_boy

Gunner1 wrote:
teh_boy wrote:
I just had an interesting thought! I read alot on my tablet - it makes my arm ache... but so does the hardback book I'm reading! Would anyone have risked assessed reading a text book?
Don't give people idea's! It just might happen!
:) - well it is Friday, I'm phoning my boss and telling him I refuse to read the Nursing Practice Text book I'm using to write a diploma course until he risk assess it. Whilst I wait for the RA I'm going to crack open a beer :)
Gunner1  
#13 Posted : 11 January 2013 15:19:52(UTC)
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Gunner1

teh boy Sounds to me like you've had a few already!
Graham Bullough  
#14 Posted : 11 January 2013 15:32:03(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Perhaps I'm not alone in being baffled by the context of some terms mentioned in this thread. Surely tablets are things prescribed by doctors, blackberries are fruits picked from prickly bushes in early Autumn, Bluetooth was a vicious late 17th/early 18th century pirate (Caribbean area?) and kindle is another term for coaxing a newly-lit fire! :-) p.s. Apologies for describing a pirate as vicious. As pirates are inherently vicious in their actions and nature, my description was a tautology and akin to describing a corpse as dead!
jwk  
#15 Posted : 11 January 2013 15:50:25(UTC)
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jwk

Bluetooth was a Norwegian warrior (king?), Harald Bluetooth, thus marking Bluetooth as one of Norway's two significant technological breakthroughs, the other one being Angry Birds. We're moving over to tablets as soon as EE can find some to supply to us. My team do a lot of form filling, and with tablets they can fill forms in live at the workplace and not have to write them out longhand and fill them in on the PC when they get home. Yes, they could do that on a laptop, but Charity shops are crowded, and there ain't much room to put a laptop anywhere, and one of my team refuses to carry her laptop without a three-line whip on MHOR grounds (and since she has a PG Dip in backcare I'm not arguing with her. Tablets are lightweight, have a good battery life, and the ones we are getting have 4g, which is like 3g but with more gs, John
teh_boy  
#16 Posted : 11 January 2013 16:20:08(UTC)
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teh_boy

jand the ones we are getting have 4g, which is like 3g but with more gs, John[/quote wrote:
Lucky you - I don't even get mobile phone signal out here in the sticks - luckily I do have a fibre connection (nothing to do with ensuring good bowl movements Graham). Can people believe I actually have to use a landline!
jwk  
#17 Posted : 11 January 2013 16:27:33(UTC)
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jwk

Well, I never said I could get 4g out here in the stick (like the sticks only smaller) did I? Luckily most of our shops are in towns and cities where we can get a signal, John
Graham Bullough  
#18 Posted : 11 January 2013 17:58:24(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

3g and 4g - something to do with gravity apparently. According to a recent TV documentary too much g causes fighter jet pilots doing certain aerial manoeuvres to become unconscious unless they're wearing specially designed compressive suits! :-)
David Bannister  
#19 Posted : 11 January 2013 18:08:01(UTC)
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David Bannister

Are these g's a g&t without the t, in which case I'm not surprised at the pilots becoming unconscious after too much. Maybe explains why corsets were in vogue many years ago.
Graham Bullough  
#20 Posted : 11 January 2013 18:21:49(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

teh boy at #16 - It's highly believable that you have to use a landline in your locality. There are plenty of places and areas within the UK which have no mobile phone coverage whatsoever. This includes ones where coverage ought to be available as well as ones where it is almost impossible because of mountainous terrain, etc. p.s. In relation to bowl movements, does your fibre connection happen to be of the cereal variety?!! :-)
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