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messyshaw  
#1 Posted : 13 January 2013 15:04:41(UTC)
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messyshaw

I look after a largish building that has at least 1200 Euro fire exit signs (the man running into the fridge design) I need to make changes to some means of escape routes which will require the purchase of about 120 new signs. I understand that new signs should conform to ISO 7010 and that it's best practise not to mix sign types. So what do I do? I simply cannot advise that we change all 1200 signs for the sake of requiring 120 new ones. I feel it would undermine my position and quite rightly be seen as elf & safety gone mad. On the other hand, I need to offer professional + accurate advice. I know that management will not want to spend £12,000+ on the supply and replacement perfectly the reasonable signs we currently use, so what's the way forward? Lastly, I have heard a whisper that ISO 7010 will be, or is likely to be adopted as European legislation (thereby compulsory not advisory). I am confused - can anyone help?
Zimmy  
#2 Posted : 13 January 2013 17:13:09(UTC)
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Zimmy

ISO 7010 is not law yet as I see it. It is a recommendation that the two BS should not be mixed. It appears that 7010 will be made law. All new sign will comply (apparently) with 7010 or so it seems. I shall wait here for yet another kicking. I would simply state the legal requirements as stated in law (when it changes) . Once you have made the point and put it in writing that is all you can do. As it stands (IMHO) you either mix them or get new stickers and put them in place. We don't make the laws simply roll along with them :-) You answered your own question Messsy but don't take advice off me
John M  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2013 19:26:44(UTC)
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John M

Like all other ISO standards 7001 (public information symbols) will never have legal status in the UK. In the UK compliance with the domestic law is obligatory irrespective of compliance with standards. Normative documents, such as European Standards are drawn up on a voluntary basis whereas laws are created by Parliament and our legal system. Jon
grim72  
#4 Posted : 14 January 2013 08:42:22(UTC)
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grim72

ISO 7010 has already been passed as an EN, however the UK have yet to adopt it (due to be done sometim this year I believe). Other member states have already adopted it as EN ISO 7010 (I think Ireland is one of them). It is only a recommendation that you don't mix the sign types, however a word of caution regarding the 'fridge' version (EC Directive 92/58/EEC) is that these were found to have poor comprehension levels and could cause confusion in an evacuation. It's one of the main reasons for the adoption of the ISO 7010 version. Personally I'd try to push for the replacement of all out-dated / soon to be non-conforming signs but cash is king at the end of the day so the owner might not be so keen to invest.
grim72  
#5 Posted : 14 January 2013 08:47:57(UTC)
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grim72

Incidentally if you're paying £10 per sign then I'd suggest you change suppliers. I'd expect to be paying closer to £2.50 per rigid sign or £2.00 for a sticker. I can PM you a few suppliers if it helps?
boblewis  
#6 Posted : 14 January 2013 10:59:05(UTC)
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boblewis

Next question will be then - Will they be properly implemented and used appropriately. The Running man sign with the up arrow is most abused - According to the standard it means straight ahead on the same level. Above doors it is often replaced by the down arrow even though there is NO change in level. The Down arrow is intended to say that there IS a change in level beyond the door. All too often these signs are badly located or the furniture layout is changed such that the route is no longer existent. You should try some of these routes with a wheelchair - it can be a real eye opener. Bob
JJ Prendergast  
#7 Posted : 14 January 2013 11:45:48(UTC)
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JJ Prendergast

A BS/EN/ISO is not a legal requirement. I would argue its not reasonable for the risk and cost required etc - the usual argument. In other words - professional discretion. I'm sure your client has more important things to spend £12k on.
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