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DaisyMaisy  
#1 Posted : 15 January 2013 09:02:11(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

Anyone have any examples if client, project managers or CDM co ordinator (not sure they have one!) fails to complete and send the F10 prior to works starting? Consequences and what to do to put it right? Not my company fortunately and not my problem but have been asked by an ex colleague - any advice or experiences ?
CraigEls  
#2 Posted : 15 January 2013 10:21:12(UTC)
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CraigEls

This is a difficult one to be honest. Client is basically liable to prosecution and the site would defiantly be closed until all paperwork is in order. It is usually the responsibility of the CDM coordinator to complete the F10. The reason I say difficult is because under CDM regs it’s basically everybody’s responsibility to ensure client understands his or her responsibilities that CDMC is appointed etc etc. We had a similar problem about 2 years ago with a large job about £200,000 worth, we explained pre start to the client about his responsibilities and requirements and we were basically told we were causing problems and the job was given to somebody else who obviously didn’t care about the requirements.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 15 January 2013 12:00:21(UTC)
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firesafety101

I do the CDM documents for a CDM C. They do not like me to notify a project too early, the regs say as soon as we know there will be a project. Once submitted if anything changes the F10 has to be updated, I do so once I know. Occasionally a project has started without F10 and PCI. I just send it off ASAP. No problems up to now.
SP900308  
#4 Posted : 15 January 2013 12:31:16(UTC)
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SP900308

Firstly the appointed CDM-C is tasked with F10 Notification. In reality, probably nothing would happen! Obviously, if Part 3 of the Regulations apply then there would be a failure of statutory duties and associated action should be taken by the HSE (potentially the work could come to a complete standstill, obviously dependant on other omissions, miss-alignment with the CDM process). I'd encourage anyone involved in construction to familiar themselves with the CDM Regulations and ACoP. Why those involved don't start here I don't know?
DaisyMaisy  
#5 Posted : 15 January 2013 13:31:23(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

Thanks all - appreciated as always.
martyn  
#6 Posted : 15 January 2013 15:24:54(UTC)
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martyn

DaisyMaisy, No one has asked you the most important question. Is the project notifiable. If there is less that 30 days of construction activity and the work involves less than 500 person days of work (if less than 30 days) then there is no need to notify the HSE (ergo no need for a Form 10). You do not give this information in you initial posting. Hope this helps Martyn
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 15 January 2013 23:06:01(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Assuming all is is compliant, late Notification is surely not the end of the world. The Notification process is entirely a matter of convenience for the HSE. Might earn a wee slap on the wrist, but seems unlikely. You infer the Client may not have appointed a CDM-C. In that instance, the CDM-C duties fall to him.
DaisyMaisy  
#8 Posted : 16 January 2013 08:23:36(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

Martyn wrote:
DaisyMaisy, No one has asked you the most important question. Is the project notifiable. If there is less that 30 days of construction activity and the work involves less than 500 person days of work (if less than 30 days) then there is no need to notify the HSE (ergo no need for a Form 10). You do not give this information in you initial posting. Hope this helps Hi Marftyn - yes it is3 months work involved. Martyn
DaisyMaisy  
#9 Posted : 16 January 2013 08:25:14(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

ron hunter wrote:
Assuming all is is compliant, late Notification is surely not the end of the world. The Notification process is entirely a matter of convenience for the HSE. Might earn a wee slap on the wrist, but seems unlikely. You infer the Client may not have appointed a CDM-C. In that instance, the CDM-C duties fall to him.
Hi Ron - they employed a Project Manager to oversee the project and gave the CDM form to the H&S co ordintor for the company but it was returned to the project manager to complete as he has all the details but it didnt send it off
DaisyMaisy  
#10 Posted : 16 January 2013 08:27:27(UTC)
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DaisyMaisy

I myself do not have a great deal of experience in CDM processes as it isnt my general area - I think relied totally on the project manager and the contractors to sort it out assuming the responsibility isnt theirs (./e. client responsibility) wrong!!!
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