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Here’s a new topic: They have found beef burgers with 30% horsemeat in them from an unknown origin, but they then go on to say that there is no health hazard. They do not have any idea where it has come from, so how can they say there is no health hazard, all they can say is that the meat that they have tested is not contaminated, surely?
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Yes, but the same could be said of the beef in the burgers (assuming there is some). If quality control allowed horsemeat in, then who's to say that the beef is any better controlled?
Clearly they should be re-labelled as beef/horse/pork-ish burgers but apart from that, I would be more concerned about the possibility of uncontrolled beef and the risks of CJD.
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According to this morning's UK TV news analyses of beefburgers sold by a number of well-known supermarkets have found that they contain horsemeat or rather horse DNA. As there will be understandable concerns about how the horsemeat was obtained, kept and added to the beefburgers, this matter evidently involves food hygiene, fraud and trades description legislation but probably not OS&H.
This news item is 'hot' mainly because Brits don't eat horsemeat and most probably squirm at the thought of it. It would not be in countries such as France where the sale and eating of horesmeat is accepted.
For those seeking a new word to sprinkle in their conversations, the technical/posh term for eating horsemeat is hippophagy. It's related to the term hippodrome for places where horses and chariots were raced in ancient Greek and Roman times. :-)
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I think you could say the chains in question are guilty of trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted... ;)
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Horse meat is a common food in some European countries, I imagine that this meat will carry the same hazards as any other meat, which is why we cook our food thoroughly...... don't we BBQ people?
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You've not eaten rare steak I assume. Its not always boot soles
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Many years ago I was in a questionable curry house on the Mile End Road (no longer there) we ordered Lamb Curry, a mate with us said that due to the meat we had been served having distinctive yellow fat - he said that he thought it was horse meat - we all said Nahhhhh it can't be (sorry).
It was lovely and if I could have been established it was horse meat I would have ordered it again - especially the one 'still running' that have cost me quids over the years………………………………...
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Breaking News: "Meat found in economy beefburgers."
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I don't tend to worry in what's in my burger, kebab as long as it tastes nice....now pass me the Soylent Green burger with extra sauce!
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Oh Mr Flibble .... soylent green - yes! lol
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During several walking/mountaineering expeditions in France years ago my companions and I were served what we thought were beef stews until someone suggested that it was actually horsemeat. On a couple of occasions this was confirmed by those serving the food. On those occasions we were hungry and the meat was tasty so we simply continued eating. Though I can't recall that the meat was lovely as DP described at #7, it's possible that some adventurous chefs can do wonders with horsemeat ("viande de cheval" perhaps?) just as they do with other meats regarded as unusual in the UK.
Different cultures have different attitudes about which animals are regarded as acceptable as food. It seems that Brits are generally very sentimental/sensitive about eating anything which they regard as pets and/or cute and cuddly - though lamb seems to be a notable exception! By contrast some cultures have no such qualms, e.g. about eating dogs in countries such as China, Vietnam, South Korea and, curiously for a European country, Switzerland.
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I think I'd draw the line at Soylent Green - if I knew.
Spoiler alert folks - the book/ film Soylent Green centres on an expanding human population existing by eating.......meat from other (euthanised) members of the human population.
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As long as there is none of that nasty meat substitute with a name like a character from Bond
Bob
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Well, the poor taste award must go to the restaurant that sent me an email at the start of January that began;
"We've found Shergar....in January!"
Thinking no, surely not...I opened it and yes, on the menu is Horse.
It's a Mongolian restaurant where you can try different "exotic" meats such as antelope and alligator.
Must admit, didn't make me want to canter out and book a table - though at least they didn't have to check the D N Neigh for that one...
Away to have my filly o fish then....
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This thread has enlightened me because I was totally unaware of "Soylent Green" until now.
I had thought earlier of mentioning that comedian Billy Connolly suggested some years that people eating people would resolve two major world problems namely overpopulation and famine. However, I decided against mentioning it on the grounds of, er, bad taste! :-(
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ron hunter wrote:I think I'd draw the line at Soylent Green - if I knew.
Spoiler alert folks - the book/ film Soylent Green centres on an expanding human population existing by eating.......meat from other (euthanised) members of the human population. More of a fan of the comic strip film 'Eat the Rich' featuring the legendary Lemmy...
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I'd have no problem eating a horse burger and the BBQ ribs would be pretty awesome....
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Had a couple of burgers last night, but I reckon I'll think again before I have anymore, as I woke up this morning with a bit between my teeth ;-)
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Victor, I'm pinching that as its by far the best one I've seen this morning.
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Thnx - strangely enough an anagram of HAMBURGRS is SHERGAR BUM ;-)
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Perhaps I'm just feeling more risible than usual today: When I looked at this thread a few minutes ago I couldn't resist smiling at the fact that it was also being viewed by 'Ox Safety' ! :-)
Anyway, to add a more serious note, during my time with HSE I visited a number of meat factories whose products included beefburgers, and even investigated an accident at a beefburger forming machine. My impression was that the meat used for beefburgers was far from top notch though presumably still classed as edible. After learning that some beefburgers contain mechanically recovered/reclaimed meat (MRM), i.e. meat paste/sludge comprising vestiges of meat separated from bone by a mechanical process, I became even less keen on eating beefburgers! :-(
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Can vegetarians eat DNA?
Have a dinner party coming up and we've already done nutroast for them.
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Graham
'After learning that some beefburgers contain mechanically recovered/reclaimed meat (MRM), i.e. meat paste/sludge comprising vestiges of meat separated from bone by a mechanical process'
That's lunch over then :/
Vegetarians that eat fish, another one of life's mysteries?
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My son wnet on a trekking holiday last year to the Atlas mountains accompaning the guide and proters were donkeys that mysteriously reduced in number as the trek progressed. Hee haw!
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SP - Your mention of fish prompts me to suggest that forum users shouldn't think too hard about what sort of things fish like to eat whether in the sea or 'fresh' water. Also, anyone who finds this thread distasteful (no pun intended, believe it or not) is best advised to avoid watching the latest episode of "The Food Inspectors" at 8pm on BBC TV tonight. Last week's episode was fascinating/worrying/educating. Of particular note was the case of a man who nearly died of meningitis associated with listeriosis through eating one mouthful of undercooked pork. As described at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p013h4jr the case was especially frightening because the man reportedly experienced no adverse symptoms until 3 weeks later, and served* to underline the need for adequate cooking of meat. On a related aside, if enforcement of food hygiene/safety in commercial food premises were subject to a Fees For Intervention (FFI) regime similar to that for HSE enforcement of OS&H legislation, perhaps HM Treasury and also local authorities with environmental health departments would find it a very lucrative source of income and also an effective method of raising standards of food hygiene! p.s. no pun was intended by use of the word 'serve' at * above, but I couldn't readily think of another suitable expression.
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Just been down the supermarket and bought a bottle of Bacardi, a bottle of Lambs, and some burgers, so thats white rum, navy rum, and red rum
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Had one of those Tesco burgers last night- feels like I still have a bit between my teeth
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Motorhead it must be repeating on you see post #19
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Horse meat is a common food in some European countries, I imagine that this meat will carry the same hazards as any other meat, which is why we cook our food thoroughly...... don't we BBQ people?
I thought that was cannibalism, not hippophagy!
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Chris42 wrote:Motorhead it must be repeating on you see post #19 I missed #19. That will teach me to read all the posts ;-) Andy
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Be careful Motorhead.... next you'll be getting the trots.
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Ate a dog's leg once when in Hong Kong (middle 1970s) which had been passed off as a chicken leg. It was horrible.
Rich
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safetyamateur wrote:Can vegetarians eat DNA?
Have a dinner party coming up and we've already done nutroast for them. Plants have DNA too
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Funnily enough, my son in law has today informed me that they now currently have in their fridge/ freezer the following:
Python steak
Kangaroo steak
Ostrich Steak.
Also, currently defrosting is an oven ready squirrel!
Makes horsemeat seem positively conservative if you ask me.
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It just goes to show that you get what you pay for. I'm surprised the "Value" burgers have that much meat in them to start with...
Although i'm a tiny bit glad that this news may put the wider public off buying cheap meat from supermarkets that have obviously fallen at the last hurdle when it comes to tracability.
Want to know what your eating and where its from? - Go Local and Buy British!
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Would probably be ok with horse meat and those in #36. What makes me cringe every time is the advert where the little girl refuses to eat the bugs on the wooden skewer until the man puts sprinkles (of what I don't know) on them. (advert for a bank I think)
I know there will be a shortage of protean in the future, but that's when I become vegetarian.
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nickh - Your mention of ostrich meat reminds me of a holiday several years ago in Namibia during which various meats were on offer - unusual ones for visiting Brits but presumably not for local people. I think ostrich was pretty tasty and likewise kudu.
Some forum users will be intrigued about the availability of 'oven-ready' squirrel. Just hope it's sourced from the vicious invasive grey variety (classed as vermin in the UK) and not the cute red tufty-eared variety (protected) which, as it happens, features on BBC TV's "Winterwatch" programmes this week.
Back to beefburgers which include horsemeat. If horsemeat is tasty as some responders have suggested earlier and can be added to beef to create enhanced-flavour burgers (subject to requirements about food hygiene, etc.) perhaps they could be sold as Equinox burgers (equine + ox)!
If legal to make and sell, just how long will it be before such burgers become the height of culinary fashion?! :-))
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I knowingly and gingerly ate horse meat some years ago in France. My body rejected it quite rapidly much to the amusement of my French hosts. It's a mental thing although I have eaten other strange meats and managed to keep those down.
I will not however be trying the exotic deep-fried insects when I visit SE Asia very shortly.
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