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SPR  
#1 Posted : 23 January 2013 12:47:43(UTC)
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SPR

Employees who have beards and facial hair who require face fit testing - anyone had any experience on this topic? Where do we stand with regards to face fit testing these employees?
Invictus  
#2 Posted : 23 January 2013 12:49:54(UTC)
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Invictus

I was under the impression that if you a beard you cannot wear RPE etc. as you cannot get a tight fit.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 23 January 2013 13:05:43(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Leaving aside any controversial "no beard" employment policy, those employees would need to be protected by air-fed hood or helmet type RPE.
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 23 January 2013 13:15:45(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

You cannot guarantee a proper fit for a negative pressure face piece if the person has a beard. Even if they passed the test, you cannot guarantee the test’s reproducibility as the condition of the beard would vary from day to day. If they insist on keeping their beard and you allow them to do this, then you have to look at a positive pressure face mask or hood
Kate  
#5 Posted : 23 January 2013 13:18:24(UTC)
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Kate

Employees with beards (unless tiny ones that don't go under the seal) don't require fit-testing because they can't wear the RPE for which fit-testing is a requirement. The options are (a) don't let them do tasks that require the RPE or (b) ask them to shave or (c) provide a hood-type RPE. Be aware that hoods tend to be much more comfortable, so expect everyone to want one if you go for (c).
damelcfc  
#6 Posted : 23 January 2013 15:47:58(UTC)
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damelcfc

SPR, whilst explaining this back to the troops - point out the fact that because a seal cannot be assured, the only thing actually filtering xxxxxx (insert nasty) from their lungs would be their facial hair - yuk.
rodgerker  
#7 Posted : 24 January 2013 07:52:55(UTC)
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rodgerker

The original question is quite reasonable. However, some of the comments are perpetuating some "elf & safety myths" on the subject. I believe I can comment on this subject with some authority. Over a nine year period I possessed a Portacount Face-Fit testing machine and performed more than 800 face-fits. I also wear a light beard. Historical Background. in the year 2000 the HSE ran a number of seminars on RPE and face fitting. At these the speakers stated categorically that with facial hair an acceptable face fit could not be achieved. This was disputed by myself and some others, particularly from the Fire Service. Their latest guidance now indicates that with facial hair, an acceptable face fit is unlikely to be achieved. Regarding facial hair, a beard is not the biggest problem. So called "designer stubble", three or four days growth is the most likely to cause a problem. These hairs will stand erect and are not long enough to "bend over" therefore providing the possibility of holding the face-piece of the RPE away from the skin. With a short/medium length beard the hair is more likely to bend and be held flat against the face. A full bushy beard, quite obviously would not be acceptable. Post number four indicates that changing beard length will alter the face fit result. This is only partially true. While I had the machine I was able to carry out a number of simple basic experiments. Among them was testing the same person with the same RPE three times in one day (on a number of occasions). These results were hugely variable. While face-fit testing is certainly a science, the results can be more akin to a "black art". With reference to air fed hoods/helmets, if my memory serves me right, you cannot carry out face-fits on the, also the protection offered is relatively low. Finally, I am not advocating the wearing of beards when use of RPE is required. On the occasions that I needed to use RPE, I shaved and carried out a fresh face fit after. This subject is not as straight forward as some people think. Rodger Ker
kdrew  
#8 Posted : 24 January 2013 09:16:15(UTC)
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kdrew

Rodger, A few points of clarity wih your posting. Fit testing is for tight fitting face pieces so is clearly is pointless with a hood since there is no face piece or seal to test. The protection factor for hoods or masks can be the same since it is primarily dependent on the filter being used and what you are protecting against. For example a battery powered hood or respirator fitted with a P3 type particulate filter will have the same protection factors of 40 (pages 40 & 41 of HSG53). Several organisations use hoods exclusively to avoid these issues and the expense of face fitting everyone and having to check the condition of wearers facial hair prior to use. Hope this helps. Kevin
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