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Mick Noonan  
#1 Posted : 23 January 2013 14:39:35(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Hello all, I'm looking for someone who can enlighten me regarding energy efficient drying rooms for construction industry.

In all the sites I've been to (over 13 years) the answer to drying rooms is always a portable container/cabin with heaters on (full blast, 24/365) and the windows open. This does the job nicely but it's clearly not energy efficient.

I have an opportunity to proposing a better way, if one exists. I'm looking for solutions and the more ready made the better. My worst case scenario is to buy an insulated portacabin (A or B rating) and fit it out with the individual components myself, i.e. benches, hangers, de-humidification control, power supply etc. but if anyone knows a supplier or company that deals in this kind of thing please let me konw.

thanks
Michael
leadbelly  
#2 Posted : 23 January 2013 15:08:46(UTC)
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leadbelly

Michael

Would heaters plus dehumidifiers be any more efficient than heaters and open windows?

LB
Ian Harper  
#3 Posted : 23 January 2013 15:48:01(UTC)
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Ian Harper

I'm working on and off with a company who provide sustainable power solutions and are developing products to suit various applications. Sounds like the sort of thing they may be interested in from a product development route. They have have the power source but not the appliactions if you see what I mean. PM if you are interested.
Mick Noonan  
#4 Posted : 23 January 2013 17:06:54(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

LB,

The de-humidification proposal will use humidity detection to power on and off as it moves through the cycle, thus saving power. In effect it "detects" that the clothes are dry and shuts off the power.
johnmurray  
#5 Posted : 23 January 2013 18:23:26(UTC)
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johnmurray

How much do the dehumidifiers cost to run.....what is the installation cost of them ?
How effective are they/will they be...as in how many times will moisture be recycled before removal ?
How much heat is carried away in the moisture, or are you considering the installation of heat exchangers to remove the heat and vent it back to the room ?

How will the guys like walking into a cold drying room......after all, most places tend to have people changing at different times...
Graham Bullough  
#6 Posted : 23 January 2013 19:29:56(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

As an aside, the most effective drying room I've encountered was at a remote youth hostel in a mountainous part of the Lake District some 40 years ago. It comprised a large wooden hut behind the hostel building and contained a sizeable old cast-iron coke stove. Painted on the hut floor was a large circle around the stove plus clear warnings that no garments should be left/hung inside the circle otherwise they risked becoming charred or melted. My friends and I thought the warnings were somewhat exaggerated but heeded them nevertheless and were wise to have done so: On returning to the hut several hours later we discovered that the stove was glowing red hot and that the considerable heat inside the hut had thoroughly dried our wet outdoor clothing.

Another aspect which contributed to the effectiveness of the hut was that it had good external ventilators. Though drying rooms don't usually contain red hot coke stoves, it is important for them to have effective natural or mechanical extract ventilation - or humidifiers - in order to remove the humidity generated by the drying process. If not, the humidity inside an enclosed drying room with lots of wet items can approach 100% (saturation point) and thus impede effective drying.
tony.  
#7 Posted : 23 January 2013 20:37:58(UTC)
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tony.

Pm me, i recently trialed a drying machine, that blows warm air into metal tubes, the tubes are shaped to accept, boots, gloves etc.

Common in the petro chem offshore industry.

Its a canadian company that i cant remember the name of at the moment
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 24 January 2013 08:13:27(UTC)
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bob youel

U must also remember that energy efficiency is secondary to ensuring that staff have adequate facilities
achrn  
#9 Posted : 24 January 2013 09:14:34(UTC)
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achrn

johnmurray wrote:

How will the guys like walking into a cold drying room......after all, most places tend to have people changing at different times...


It wouldn't be cold. From the description given, it could be just as warm as a 'conventional' room, just that it's that warm without pumping heat out the open windows because you don't need the windows open to dissipate the humidity, that's being extracted without massive air-changes within the room.
Mick Noonan  
#10 Posted : 24 January 2013 11:28:27(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Thanks achrn, nicely put.

There seems to be a opinion amongst the posts (reading between the lines) that I am trying to provide a 'cold' drying room. The idea is not simply to put a de-humidifier in to remove moisture (without heating) from the air. The system will 'manage' the relative humidity in the room via a heater, a simple air extraction unit and control unit (monitoring room RH) to tie it all together.

No draconian dictats here

Mick
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 24 January 2013 12:39:41(UTC)
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bob youel

I am sure that you want to do what is best but people who have been on site etc. [unless its an exceptionally hot day] require adequate heating when they change clothing and need adequate heating to ensure that their work cloths are dry for the next day - windows being left open and wasting heat is a management problem
Mick Noonan  
#12 Posted : 24 January 2013 13:28:54(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

bob youel wrote:
people who have been on site require adequate heating when they change clothing


I never suggested otherwise. My drying room will be well insulated and if designed well enough will benefit from solar gain.

bob youel wrote:
windows being left open and wasting heat is a management problem


Don't agree with you here. My task stems from an energy saving initiative.

Mick
Canopener  
#13 Posted : 24 January 2013 13:46:23(UTC)
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Canopener

windows being left open and wasting heat is a management problem"

Oh Lord, give me strength!!!!
andybz  
#14 Posted : 24 January 2013 18:11:37(UTC)
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andybz

The extractor fan in our bathroom at home is controlled by a humidity sensor. It runs when humidity is high. It is much better than opening a window because it stops automatically once humidity has dropped. Combine this with a thermostat on your heater you will have covered the two requirements of elevated temperature and removal of damp air.

There are heat exchanges that you can fit to ventilation systems. They use the heat from expelled damp air to warm inlet air from outside. Means you recover some heat so you need less energy for heating.
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